[eDebate] Technology and debate

Josh jbhdb8
Thu Aug 7 09:59:09 CDT 2008


Seems to me that a ton of this stuff is technologically inevitable.  I
think, for the most part, there is a community standard on coaches
intervening in rounds by any means, however, the prep time cards are
becoming inevitable,

Josh

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Zompetti, Joseph <jpzompe at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> I agree with JP.  This is a serious problem.  While I cannot prove it, I
> judged a debate last fall where a coach (who recently graduated) was
> watching a round with one of her teams.  Of course, I have no problem with
> that...in fact, I encourage it if folks have a round off.
>
> However, during the debate, the coach was frantically texting on her cell
> phone while one of her debaters appeared to be checking their email or IM's
> or something.  Again, I can't prove it, but it looked suspicious.
>
> The point -- whether it actually happened or not -- was that it COULD have
> happened very easily.  We really need to address this as a community.
>
>
> Joseph Zompetti
>
> Joseph P. Zompetti, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor & Director of Forensics
> School of Communication
> Illinois State University
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> Everything you can imagine is real.
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> ________________________________
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> From: edebate-bounces at www.ndtceda.com on behalf of JP Lacy
> Sent: Wed 8/6/2008 11:02 PM
> To: matthew farmer
> Cc: edebate at ndtceda.com
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Technology and debate
>
>
>
> Really?
>
> I listed some "rules" in an off the cuff manner & there is almost no
> objection?
>
> JT's Marxist argument is a strong one: Sometimes teams rely on what they
> see as holes in resource rich squads work. A surprise position gives
> them a leg up, even if its only a one trick affair. Are things really
> more fair if we let the resource rich (who may enjoy better internet &
> database access) exploit their advantage even more?
>
> I honestly don't know if anyone has an answer to the "cheating" DA,
> other than the honor system.
>
> I know no one wants to cheat to win, but what happens when competitive
> pressure really comes to bear?
>
> I do *hope* we never enter the "electronic coach" age, but do we have
> any way to enforce these rules other than our own pride?
>
> --JP
>
>
>
> JP Lacy wrote:
> > Basic rule: No outside assistance while you are debating. (Food & other
> > sustenance exempted)
> >
> > 1. IM: No IM that gives you assistance. Not even a "Go fight win!" Best
> > to stay off of chat to avoid appearance of impropriety.
> >
> > 2. Research during debates: Do it! If you can beat your opponents
> > arguments with a few minutes of online research, more power to you. No
> > rule stops you from running to the library, using the card catalog,
> > buying a newspaper, reading a book you have in a backpack, or reading an
> > article you have saved on your computer. I don't see a good place to
> > draw this line other than "no research other than your own during a
> debate."
> >
> > 3. Home server access: Yes, as long as it doesn't violate the "Basic
> > rule." If you can find cards in your off-site electronic backfiles, good
> > for you. Just don't accept help from others telling you where to look.
> > Don't use new files posted to your server after the debate has begun.
> >
> > I really don't know how to enforce & verify these basic rules. I just
> > think they're basic rules. If everyone complies, no problem. If problems
> > arise then we can revisit the "Basic rule" & forbid people from internet
> > access during debates. I hope it doesn't come to that.
> >
> > Do people actually go outside the "No outside assistance" rule these
> > days? If things escalate to the point where every team needs an
> > "electronic coach" during debates, then we'll have a whole mess of
> > problems to deal with. Best to leave the rule as it stands.
> >
> > --JP
> >
> > matthew farmer wrote:
> >
> >> I've been thinking about something for a while and I think that the
> >> community should probably discuss it.  What are our standards/what
> >> should they be for the use of the internet and other communication
> >> devices in debate.  Can you cut cards during a debate, can you talk to
> >> people on im even if it's not about debate, should debaters have their
> >> wifi on during a debate at all?   Should debaters be able to access
> >> their deabte servers during a debate, should that be the only thing
> >> that they can access?  If we come to a consensus on the appropriate
> >> behavioral standards, how might we enforce and verify them?  Even if
> >> it's not possible to fully enforce new rules, should we enact them
> >> anyway in an effort to establish and codify a community norm?
> >>
> >> play nice...
> >>
> >> farmer
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