[eDebate] Shanara Youtube attack

Chris Stone cstone387
Sun Aug 17 14:34:19 CDT 2008

An interesting take on the issue from another group

On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seriously people,
> This is showing some really really nasty tendencies and I sincerely hope
> nobody thinks "getting" Shanara will somehow make you feel better about the
> attacks on Bill.  Hopefully, this very specific information filled Youtube
> clip wasnt from someone in our community...that would be really really sad.
> Let me try this one time for everyone:
> 1. Debate coaches dont make a ton of money, they dont get much sleep, they
> never have weekends or holidays like normal people - sometimes that causes
> some excess.  Mostly because of passion for argument and the activity.  Most
> debate coaches spend most of their time trying to find ways to even get
> teams to tournaments given state and school budgets.  Cut these folks a
> little break...Is destroying them really going to make you feel better
> somehow?  If so, shouldnt you ask yourself why?  Sure, that was way over the
> top....but did you leave the theater in Grease because the T-Birds showed
> their butts?
> 2. Fame/Attention/Press is inherently conservatizing....Think about the
> implication of attention....all of the reports are like "they don't wear
> shoes, they dont look professional, they said 'racism.'
> We have a nice argumentative space in debate where people can test out new
> ideas, be themselves, even say things that the majority of Americans would
> think radical beyond the pale....Do you really want this attention?  People
> in my office and administration at Michigan forwarded me the clip without
> any knowledge of edebate or this discussion.
> Its possible pandora's box is open and we will just have to deal with
> it....however, could we not fan the flames so high?
> Josh
> ps. I also agree with Hester that we can defend debate...and I have in all
> my conversations with the billion people who saw the clips. Doesnt mean we
> cant try to stop killing each other.
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