[eDebate] nice start: chicago machine already crippling cagliostro

Nicholas A. Thomas pinkballoon
Sun Dec 14 16:01:07 CST 2008

Actually, Blagojevich was ferreted out by an anti-corruption bill Obama helped to pass.  Blagojevich was rushing to get in donations before Obama's law took effect on January 1st, which is why he was so pushy and, thus, legally caught.

That Emanuel was voice recorded on the tapes is no surprise: he said as much from the beginning (and was even rumored to be a whistle-blower to the FBI).  Regardless, DOJ District Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said neither Emanuel nor Obama were targets in the investigation.  If anything, it would be a surprise if the President-elect was *not* talking with the Governor about political strategy involving the best Democratic candidate to run in 2010.

Getting death threats (something no one on the right has to deal with... unless they are getting attacked by people even *farther* to the right) is a scary thing; I'd hope you had some sympathy for people facing the violence of a heckler's veto.

I guess I wanna know what you want me or others to take from your posts, Old Strega.
Are you worried about the Constitution?  Survey says no: you are still complaining about Obama after the Supreme Court refused to overturn the will of the people using evidence that was only going to confirm that Obama was a citizen anyway.
Are you really worried about corruption?  Survey says no: I don't seem to recall Enron, Bush's DOJ scandal, concerns about Halliburton or Blackwater ever bothering you this much--which matters at the very least because there was more than enough "guilt by association" in all those cases to satisfy your current thirst for it.
Are you just raining on our parade while some Americans want to retake, rebuild, and reinvigorate their country?  Maybe even by reclaiming any of the moral authority it supposedly had?  Is it a bad thing for us to want something better for our nation?  And to have trusted Obama to get us to something better when most all politicians seemed corrupt or evil?  

If Obama succeeds will you blame him just as much as you will rain down on him if he fails and our peoples do not prosper?

I've read about you in history books, Old Strega.  "Sic semper tyrannis," you once yelled.  Another time you had a list "of 205... names made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party."  More recently I've heard you say "deficits don't matter," finding WMDs in Iraq was a "slam dunk," and more generally that people who "don't love America should leave it."  You've always been there to save us from the good civil servants who might have done us well, just in case your one-in-a-million conspiracy theory was right that they would not have worked out.

Here's a challenge--I expect it will be *really* tough.  Can you tell me (or us) something *good* we should do for our country that is at once free of blame for others, free of any hint that other human beings are corrupt, but still significant enough that one would not be able to say of such a deed that it was "guilty by association" with such and such weak link so that it clearly represents a threat to or a corruption of America?  Please don't give me a sarcastic answer--I really want to know what you think our best course is right now (aside from killing all the lawyers).

Nicholas A. Thomas, PhD Rhetoric
(formerly a Policy Assistant Coach at CSU, Long Beach)
Department of Communication Arts & Sciences
Pennsylvania State University
nat129 at psu.edu

From: Old Strega 
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:05 PM
To: edebate at ndtceda.com ; Jay Reed 
Subject: [eDebate] nice start: chicago machine already crippling cagliostro

i'm so glad we have gotten past all the corruption of cheney-bush-rove.    obama was so damn good on the stump when he did his "straight talk" routine i believed him.   i didn't even consider for one second that he was a product of the crookedest political machine in the usa.   didn't cross my mind because i wanted to believe.    chief of staff and head of presidential campaign, those dudes are too far removed from obama to even possibly tarnish "straight talk".   obama is black saint in a cesspool of white shit.   rezko association, no problem.  jarrett slumlord issue, no problem.  rubin ponzi scheme, hallelujah.  i've been addicted to hollywood since birth, it just comes natural getting absorbed into a story that romanticizes a gangster without thinking.   because i'm 99% positive obama is nothing like any of the chicago people that surround him, i'm 100% positive he didn't forge his birth certificate.   will the marion jones of politics eventually get indicted with the rest of his cronies?   are they all non-chalant and careless gloating in their victory like rahmbo, the mossad king who just got busted on wiretap?   right now, the sixth black president appears that he may be worse than the previous president who was the worst president in US history?    rove's superior ability to cover dubya's tracks gives dubya the edge over cagliostro who will likely suffer an indictment with rezko whistling dixie and blago ready to talk and escape jail.    plus, obama fostered rising expectations concerning "straight talk".   he will crush the hopes of the youth and blacks because they trusted him.     what a deutsche bag. 


Pressure grew on two of Barack Obama?s closest political aides yesterday as new details emerged of the ?pay-for-play? allegations against the Governor of his home state.

Rahm Emanuel, the President-elect?s new Chief of Staff, and Jesse Jackson Jr, the co-chairman of his presidential campaign, both faced new revelations about their possible involvement in the scandal.

Fox News Chicago reported that Mr Emanuel, a Chicago politician who won the Illinois Governor?s former congressional seat, may have been captured on FBI wire-taps discussing the fate of Mr Obama?s vacated US Senate seat with Rod Blagojevich.

The TV station said Mr Emanuel had ?multiple conversations? with the Governor, who is accused of trying to ?sell? the open Senate seat for a Cabinet post or lucrative top foundation job. The report said the Governor was given a list of Senate candidates acceptable to Mr Obama. Because the FBI was secretly taping Mr Blagojevich in recent weeks, Mr Emanuel?s conversations may have been recorded, Fox News Chicago said.

  a.. Spotlight now on the wife of Blagojevich
  a.. Obama denies link with scandal Governor
  a.. A scandal straight from the Sopranos
Any recordings of the newly appointed White House Chief of Staff speaking to Mr Blagojevich about Mr Obama?s former Senate seat would prove an acute embarrassment to the incoming Obama Administration, even if no illegal deals were discussed, and could even force Mr Emanuel?s resignation. Mr Obama has promised to release details of any contacts between his staff and the Governor?s office but told a news conference on Thursday that he was ?absolutely certain? that none of his aides was involved in any deal-making.

Mr Emanuel skipped Mr Obama?s press conference, which he typically attends. Cornered by a Chicago Sun-Times reporter at a concert at his children?s school, he refused to comment.

?I?m not going to say a word to you,? Mr Emanuel said. ?I?m going to do this with my children. Don?t do that. I?m a father. I have two kids. I?m not going to do it.?

He was asked: ?Can?t you do both?? Mr Emanuel replied: ?I?m not as capable as you. I?m going to be a father. I?m allowed to be a father.?

Mr Emanuel told an ABC News cameraman, whom he invited into his house to use the toilet yesterday, that he was receiving ?regular death threats? because his home address had been put on TV.

Jesse Jackson Jr, the Congressman son of the famed civil rights leader, also faced new questions yesterday about his quest for Mr Obama?s vacated Senate seat.

A group of ethnic Indian businessmen with ties to Mr Jackson and Mr Blagojevich reportedly held a lunch on October 31 and discussed raising $1 million for the Governor?s campaign to encourage him to pick Mr Jackson as Senator, the Chicago Tribune said.

Raghuveer Nayak, a major Blagojevich donor who also has ties to the Jackson family, then co-sponsored a fund-raiser for the Governor on Saturday attended by Mr Blagojevich and Jesse Jackson Jr?s brother Jonathan, the newspaper said.

Mr Nayak, a leader of Chicago?s Asian community, owns a string of surgery clinics and was once involved in a land deal with Jonathan Jackson.

Mr Jackson Jr met Mr Blagojevich at 4pm on Monday to discuss his interest in the Senate seat. Mr Blagojevich was arrested at his home at 6am on Tuesday by prosecutors who said they were trying to thwart a ?political crime spree?. Jesse Jackson Jr is due to meet prosecutors next week, but has been told he is not a target of the investigation.

He insisted yesterday that no one had offered the Governor money for the Senate seat on his behalf.

?People know me. They know who I am. I?m confident that no one on my behalf made a single offer to anybody for anything. I would not accept the position if it were offered under those circumstances,? he said.

Mr Blagojevich, meanwhile, went to work again yesterday without making any public comment despite the growing clamour for his resignation. Lisa Madigan, the Illinois Attorney-General, filed a motion with the state?s highest court asking the judges to declare the scandal-plagued Governor unfit to hold office. John Harris, Mr Blagojevich?s Chief of Staff, who was charged along with the Governor, last night stepped down from his job, adding to the pressure on his boss.

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