[eDebate] nice start: chicago machine already crippling cagliostro

Paul Johnson paulj567
Sun Dec 14 16:06:31 CST 2008

Man you can't even start a good old fashioned flame war anymore Stroube.

Sorry, I know my response disrupted your attempt at a late-modern critique of the military industrial complex.

--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] nice start: chicago machine already crippling cagliostro
> To: edebate at ndtceda.com, "Jay Reed" <jvreedmore at hotmail.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 1:05 PM
> i'm so glad we have gotten past all the corruption of
> cheney-bush-rove.    obama was so damn good on the stump
> when he did his "straight talk" routine i believed
> him.   i didn't even consider for one second that he was
> a product of the crookedest political machine in the usa.  
> didn't cross my mind because i wanted to believe.   
> chief of staff and head of presidential campaign, those
> dudes are too far removed from obama to even possibly
> tarnish "straight talk".   obama is black saint in
> a cesspool of white shit.   rezko association, no problem. 
> jarrett slumlord issue, no problem.  rubin ponzi scheme,
> hallelujah.  i've been addicted to hollywood since
> birth, it just comes natural getting absorbed into a story
> that romanticizes a gangster without thinking.   because
> i'm 99% positive obama is nothing like any of the
> chicago people that surround him, i'm 100% positive he
> didn't forge his birth certificate.   will the marion
> jones of politics eventually get indicted with the rest of
> his cronies?   are they all non-chalant and careless
> gloating in their victory like rahmbo, the mossad king who
> just got busted on wiretap?   right now, the sixth black
> president appears that he may be worse than the previous
> president who was the worst president in US history?   
> rove's superior ability to cover dubya's tracks
> gives dubya the edge over cagliostro who will likely suffer
> an indictment with rezko whistling dixie and blago ready to
> talk and escape jail.    plus, obama fostered rising
> expectations concerning "straight talk".   he will
> crush the hopes of the youth and blacks because they trusted
> him.     what a deutsche bag.
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5332897.ecePressure
> grew on two of Barack Obama?s closest political aides
> yesterday as new details emerged of the ?pay-for-play?
> allegations against the Governor of his home state.Rahm
> Emanuel, the President-elect?s new Chief of Staff, and
> Jesse Jackson Jr, the co-chairman of his presidential
> campaign, both faced new revelations about their possible
> involvement in the scandal.Fox News Chicago reported that Mr
> Emanuel, a Chicago politician who won the Illinois
> Governor?s former congressional seat, may have been
> captured on FBI wire-taps discussing the fate of Mr
> Obama?s vacated US Senate seat with Rod Blagojevich.The TV
> station said Mr Emanuel had ?multiple conversations?
> with the Governor, who is accused of trying to ?sell?
> the open Senate seat for a Cabinet post or lucrative top
> foundation job. The report said the Governor was given a
> list of Senate candidates acceptable to Mr Obama. Because
> the FBI was secretly taping Mr Blagojevich in recent weeks,
> Mr Emanuel?s conversations may have been recorded, Fox
> News Chicago said.RELATED LINKSSpotlight now on the wife of
> BlagojevichObama denies link with scandal GovernorA scandal
> straight from the SopranosAny recordings of the newly
> appointed White House Chief of Staff speaking to Mr
> Blagojevich about Mr Obama?s former Senate seat would
> prove an acute embarrassment to the incoming Obama
> Administration, even if no illegal deals were discussed, and
> could even force Mr Emanuel?s resignation. Mr Obama has
> promised to release details of any contacts between his
> staff and the Governor?s office but told a news conference
> on Thursday that he was ?absolutely certain? that none
> of his aides was involved in any deal-making.Mr Emanuel
> skipped Mr Obama?s press conference, which he typically
> attends. Cornered by a Chicago Sun-Times reporter at a
> concert at his children?s school, he refused to
> comment.?I?m not going to say a word to you,? Mr
> Emanuel said. ?I?m going to do this with my children.
> Don?t do that. I?m a father. I have two kids. I?m not
> going to do it.?He was asked: ?Can?t you do both??
> Mr Emanuel replied: ?I?m not as capable as you. I?m
> going to be a father. I?m allowed to be a father.?Mr
> Emanuel told an ABC News cameraman, whom he invited into his
> house to use the toilet yesterday, that he was receiving
> ?regular death threats? because his home address had
> been put on TV.Jesse Jackson Jr, the Congressman son of the
> famed civil rights leader, also faced new questions
> yesterday about his quest for Mr Obama?s vacated Senate
> seat.A group of ethnic Indian businessmen with ties to Mr
> Jackson and Mr Blagojevich reportedly held a lunch on
> October 31 and discussed raising $1 million for the
> Governor?s campaign to encourage him to pick Mr Jackson as
> Senator, the Chicago Tribune said.Raghuveer Nayak, a major
> Blagojevich donor who also has ties to the Jackson family,
> then co-sponsored a fund-raiser for the Governor on Saturday
> attended by Mr Blagojevich and Jesse Jackson Jr?s brother
> Jonathan, the newspaper said.Mr Nayak, a leader of
> Chicago?s Asian community, owns a string of surgery
> clinics and was once involved in a land deal with Jonathan
> Jackson.Mr Jackson Jr met Mr Blagojevich at 4pm on Monday to
> discuss his interest in the Senate seat. Mr Blagojevich was
> arrested at his home at 6am on Tuesday by prosecutors who
> said they were trying to thwart a ?political crime
> spree?. Jesse Jackson Jr is due to meet prosecutors next
> week, but has been told he is not a target of the
> investigation.He insisted yesterday that no one had offered
> the Governor money for the Senate seat on his
> behalf.?People know me. They know who I am. I?m
> confident that no one on my behalf made a single offer to
> anybody for anything. I would not accept the position if it
> were offered under those circumstances,? he said.Mr
> Blagojevich, meanwhile, went to work again yesterday without
> making any public comment despite the growing clamour for
> his resignation. Lisa Madigan, the Illinois
> Attorney-General, filed a motion with the state?s highest
> court asking the judges to declare the scandal-plagued
> Governor unfit to hold office. John Harris, Mr
> Blagojevich?s Chief of Staff, who was charged along with
> the Governor, last night stepped down from his job, adding
> to the pressure on his boss.
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