[eDebate] Email Conversation with Chester Crocker About T-QPQ

Jean-Paul Lacy lacyjp
Wed Feb 27 22:26:00 CST 2008


Josh --

While I agree that topicality is a combination of what is "best," or "good 
enough" for debate and "big T" truth, why should we stop looking for 
meanings of the topic just because its near the end of the season?

Everyone's work at this point in the year (as in other parts of the 
season,) is to some extent competitively oriented. Why shouldn't debaters 
be encouraged by competition to seek out first person research?

Should we really turn off our "truth seeking" work at the end of the year?

-- JP
lacyjp at wfu.edu

At 09:52 PM 2/27/2008, Josh wrote:
>Obviously not meant to call anyone out in particular, and I have no idea 
>what the motives were BUT:
>
>I think this could easily be taken as a questionable post, to say the 
>least. Right before the National tournaments - lets ask an expert 
>questions about a T position that will effect our new Affs - post it to 
>the list so we can say it was "published" etc.
>
>I was yelled at for posting an experts opinion at the beginning of the 
>season last year....but, that discussion was particular to a warrantless 
>argument he had made in frequently used debate evidence, this could be 
>taken as a much more questionable "fishing" expedition literally designed 
>to influence the way T will be looked at vis a vis new affirmatives at 
>CEDA and the NDT.
>
>A much better use of this mechanism would have been for the author that 
>suggested we use constructive engagement in the topic to have asked this 
>question.  In addition, what is considered T is a combination of whats 
>"best" for debate fairness in addition to what is big T true.
>No offense intended,
>
>Josh
>
>On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Kade Olsen 
><<mailto:kade.olsen at gmail.com>kade.olsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>Given "definition intent" debate, Caroline Harkins emailed Crocker, Here 
>is the conversation:
>
>Caroline,
>
>you have asked an interesting and somewhat unusual question. The answer
>is that a diplomatic strategy such as CE cannot become formal or
>explicit without risking getting dragged into the negotiation of an
>international understanding or agreement, a treacherous path and one
>that could have produced months of lawyerly haggling over words and
>interpretations. The conditionality was informal in another sense, too.
>If this strategy failed or collapsed in recrimination, the 'other side'
>could readily imagine what might replace it. In other words, there was
>an implicit good cop, bad cop aspect to the approach we took when
>dealing with Pretoria.
>Most important to grasp, however, is that CE was a regional diplomatic
>strategy focused - in sequential terms - on addressing southern Africa's
>regional conflicts first, and then on its internal ones. The logic was
>to engage with the broadest range of regional actors in order to wind
>down regional conflicts. So, your question is too narrow - we were not
>applying CE only to South Africa or to its govt. These issues are
>discussed extensively in High Noon in Southern Africa.
>
>hope this helps.
>
>best wishes.
>
>CAC
>
>Caroline A. Harkins wrote:
> > Dr. Crocker,
> >
> > I am a policy debater at Dartmouth College and the current debate
> > topic focuses on constructive engagement and U.S. Middle East policy.
> >
> > Given your considerable expertise and personal experience with
> > constructive engagement in South Africa, I was wondering if you could
> > resolve a few questions I have regarding some ambiguities in the
> > historical literature on engagement.
> >
> > In your 1989 Foreign Affairs article entitled "Southern Africa: Eight
> > Years Later," you wrote that the U.S. policy of constructive
> > engagement with South Africa was conditional:
> >
> > "Regarding South Africa, constructive engagement was by definition a
> > conditional concept: in exchange for Pretoria's cooperation on
> > achieving Namibia's independence, we would work to restructure the
> > independence settlement to address our shared interest in reversing
> > the Soviet-Cuban adventure in Angola; in exchange for reduced
> > rhetorical flagellation and minor adjustments in certain bilateral
> > fields (e.g., civilian export controls), we would hold Pretoria to its
> > self-proclaimed commitment to domestic reform. There would be a change
> > of tone toward reciprocity and even-handedness. But there would be no
> > change in basic policy parameters on such matters as the U.S.
> > opposition to South African apartheid laws and institutions or
> > bilateral security ties -- no "rewriting of the past 20 years of U.S.
> > diplomacy," as the 1980 article put it -- in the absence of
> > fundamental internal change."
> >
> > When you state that U.S. policy was "by definition a conditional
> > concept," do you mean that there were direct conditions placed on the
> > government of South Africa?
> >
> > If so, were those conditions made explicit to the government of South
> > Africa. To clarify, for example, would you argue that there was a
> > formal quid pro quo with the government, such that there were stated
> > incentives that could be provided or denied based on compliance with
> > specific U.S. demands? Or was the "conditional concept" of the policy
> > informal?
> >
> > Thank you for your time and consideration. Any information that you
> > could provide on this question would be thoroughly appreciated.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Caroline Harkins
>
>--
>Chester A. Crocker
>James R. Schlesinger Professor of Strategic Studies
>Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service
>Intercultural Center Room 801
>Georgetown University
>Washington, D.C. 20057
>Phone: (202) 687-5074
>Fax: (202) 687-2315
>Email: <mailto:crockerc at georgetown.edu>crockerc at georgetown.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>Caroline - I have no problem provided you post both your question and my
>response. The reason is that most people assume CE is a strategy for
>dealing with one regime that is troubled, isolated, evil, odious,
>authoritarian, illegal or whatever. Since South Africa was/is the
>dominant power in the region, people ignored the regional point - we
>were seeking to engage all those parties that would reciprocate our
>diplomatic initiative. In addition, the South African government took
>the words 'CE' and proclaimed that the US was engaging with it, a
>self-serving distortion. Feel free to post this comment as well if you
>like.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>CAC
>
>Caroline A. Harkins wrote:
> > Dr. Crocker,
> >
> > Thank you so much for rapid and thorough response. Given the
> > importance of this subject to the debate community's discussion and
> > understanding of constructive engagement, would you mind if I shared
> > your explanation with other policy debaters interested in this subject
> > on our email listserv?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Caroline Harkins
>
>--
>Chester A. Crocker
>James R. Schlesinger Professor of Strategic Studies
>Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service
>Intercultural Center Room 801
>Georgetown University
>Washington, D.C. 20057
>Phone: (202) 687-5074
>Fax: (202) 687-2315
>Email: <mailto:crockerc at georgetown.edu>crockerc at georgetown.edu
>
>
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