[eDebate] Travel issues

Aaron Olney aaron.olney
Thu Jul 24 21:55:40 CDT 2008

This is assuming that NDT is the goal.  NDT to most schools shouldn't be the
goal and why NDT is the goal is beyond me.  NDT is exclusionary and if we
all had the FUCK the NDT attitude that was apparent premerge, none of this
dialogue would even be in effect.

NDT was almost dead and should have died off long ago, but CEDA saved them.
  We all need to have that FUCK the NDT attitude again.
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Michael Souders <micksouders at gmail.com>

>  Veronica,
> While increased consideration of regional tournaments would be helpful, it
> is already the case that a successful regional tournament record can earn
> you a second round bid.  Consider just this year.  Kansas State MZ went
> 2-6 at Harvard and 3-5 at Wake Forest, did not attend any of the other major
> tournaments, but displayed local dominance and had solid performances at
> regional/mid-major tournaments (UTD/UNT).  They demonstrated that local
> dominance and regional success can turn into a respectable performance at
> the NDT as well.  I thnk this a good example because although K-State
> attended a couple of major national tournaments, it seems to me that their
> bid was earned on the strength of the district and regional performances and
> good prelim record.   Emporia FT attended only a two very large tournament
> (Texas and Wake) and earned a total of a 7-9 record there.   However, they
> consistently reached and won elimination rounds at the district level (UCO,
> KCKCC, Baylor) and regional level (UTD, UNT, UNLV) tournaments.  Again,
> from an outsider's perspective I would consider success at the
> local/regional level was the key to qualification.
> It seems to me that the formula for a second round if you attend most
> national tournaments it to go 4-4 at all of them?or at least all but one.
> But sorting yourself out from the others applicants who go 4-4 requires
> that you beat the teams you are supposed to beat?i.e., that district teams
> that either do not travel to the national circuit or that consistently do
> not reach the 4-4 mark.  This means 4-4 caliber must go local because
> these occur in the local and regional tournaments.  Maybe once or twice a
> prelim, but more importantly in the paneled second, third, or fourth elim,
> you will face another 4-4 caliber team and you need to beat them.  Beat
> several 4-4 teams you will obtain wins against other applicants and likely
> against those who will qualify via districts.
> If you cannot travel much national circuit tournaments, you need to
> regularly beat those teams that do go to national circuit and do go 4-4
> there.  Demonstrate your regional status is not a result of lack of
> quality but for others reasons (unknown to the evaluators).  What's nice
> is that the new Brushke systems allow you to quickly compare teams against
> other second-round applicants and against those already qualified.  Get
> some quality wins at home and your applications will stand out.  Bolster
> that with a substantially above .500 record and you probably have yourself
> an NDT, no national travel needed.  My GUESS is that voters consider these
> factors:
> 1.       Prelim record (as a baseline)
> 2.       Record against other 2nd Round applicants.
> 3.       Record against qualifiers.
> 4.       Record at national tournaments.
> 5.       Local/regional dominance (5-6 prelim wins, 2+ elim wins, etc).
> The order might be wrong, but I don't think the factors are wrong. (Perhaps
> a voter could speak to this?)  Obviously, without the travel you cannot
> get #4, but 2 and 3 will check reluctance if you do well at them.
> Of course, my ideas present a problem.  What if no one in your district
> travels to the national circuit and therefore you cannot get wins against
> those persons going 4-4 at national circuit tournaments?  This is
> unlikely, but it might happen.  To some extent, if the voters are deprived
> of criteria then they can hardly be blamed for ignoring such teams.  But
> it's not all done with or futile.  In this case, regional tournaments (I
> mean octofinal, partial octofinal size tournaments?I'm thinking of Gonzaga,
> UNT, UTD) are huge.  Most 4-4 teams cannot avoid attending them?they need
> wins to pad their own possible applications since they know a district bid
> is not guaranteed.  Heck, many don't even know they are 4-4 caliber until
> after the swing season anyway.  And, of course, you can always beat those
> teams in your own district who will qualify through districts.  In that
> case, you have wins against NDT qualifiers.  So I think there are
> effective ways no what your situation.  But it should come as n- surprise
> that if you are entirely trapped at the district circuit level (in my three
> tier district, regional, national conception?a system of convenience only)
> your opportunities decline.  You must prepare and seize the ones you
> do get.  And if all else fails; if you debate no teams from outside your
> district, your district top teams don't come to local tournaments, you
> cannot get to regional tournaments, etc?you still have an option: beat your
> competition at your district qualifier.
> Mick
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