[eDebate] dove "rahmbo" appointment encouraging

Josh jbhdb8
Thu Nov 6 21:50:39 CST 2008

Not the point, as I have said degrees of difference matter...I guess not to


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

> so true josh.
> the rhetorical "change" that was milked to hog heaven is not the change
> that is going to happen.
> it's really just a fraction of change from one face of neoconservative
> republicanism to a new face of neoconservative republican lite, most notably
> with vow to expand faith-based initiatives, the hallmark of fractional
> change.    real change is best justified not by making demonstrative major
> policy changes or staff appointments outside the corrupt washington beltway
> but by realizing that the new neoconservative administration is not as bad
> as mccain's would have been.
> i'm on your side with unity about the fraction of change that is going to
> fall way below the bar of the rhetoric that was flaunted on television.
> "not as bad as mccain".   you couldn't have captured change any better.
> if it even happens at all.
> the biggest change i've seen yet is the fact that president elect barack
> obama is the first candidate in presidential history ordered by the supreme
> court to respond to a writ a certiori contesting his eligibility.  that
> would be december the 1st.   that's the due date.   marion jones could
> respond earlier than december 1 with a certificate of live birth, not just
> an internet fascimile, but i bet you big money mr. jones tries to stall the
> case and continue to profit from the media blackout.   i bet you big money
> this is the real reason behind the attempt to build a cabinet quick like cuz
> mr. jones wants to try to intimidate the supreme court out of considering
> his eligibility under article 2 through establishing a fait d'accompli.
>  we'll see on december 1st, when mr. jones becomes the first president to
> appear in front of the supreme court before his inauguration on allegations
> of cheating the people.
> the constitutional crisis is not happening cuz CNN told me so.
> "rahmbo" is encouraging and the chuck hagel possibility is titillating.
> mccain's DOD appointment would have been a little worse than republican
> diebold master chuck hagel and therefore we're gonna get josh's fraction of
> change across the board at every cabinet position.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:19:50 -0500
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] dove "rahmbo" appointment encouraging
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com
> You are so right.....It would be so much better if we just had McCain so we
> were upfront about being in every war instead of just some of them.....you
> do want to be a General dont you :)
> Josh
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
> the change is fast and furious.   moveon.org, dailykos.com and the
> anti-war movement are now in bed with the neo-conservative war hawks.   i
> hope chuck hagel gets DOD.   the way diebold landslided mccain.   i see no
> reason why not.    i also hope hagel's not the only republican to speed up
> all the change.   colin powell, condoleeza could both get reappointed to the
> change doctrine.    probably not powell, because he was too republican for
> an obama cabinet but maybe condoleeza.
> remember when obama said to an AIPAC conference: "jerusalem should be
> divided".   oops, that was just a bush-ism or lil' slip of the tongue.
>  don't worry, obama is actually intelligent and rhetorically proficient.
>   after being educated on the issue, his faux pas was fixex.    the marion
> jones of politics just switched his position the next day like a used car
> saleswhore and that was that.  no problem.
> http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9939.shtml
>  During the United States election campaign, racists and pro-Israel
> hardliners tried to make an issue out of President-elect Barack Obama's
> middle name, Hussein. Such people might take comfort in another middle name,
> that of Obama's pick for White House Chief of Staff: Rahm Israel Emanuel.
> Emanuel is Obama's first high-level appointment and it's one likely to
> disappointment those who hoped the president-elect would break with the
> George W. Bush Administration's pro-Israel policies. White House Chief of
> Staff is often considered the most powerful office in the executive branch,
> next to the president. Obama has offered Emanuel the position according to
> Democratic party sources cited by media including Reuters and The New York
> Times. While Emanuel is expected to accept the post, that had not been
> confirmed by Wednesday evening the day after the election.
> Rahm Emanuel was born in Chicago, Illinois in 1959, the son of Benjamin
> Emanuel, a pediatrician who helped smuggle weapons to the Irgun, the Zionist
> militia of former Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin, in the 1940s. The
> Irgun carried out numerous terrorist attacks on Palestinian civilians
> including the bombing of Jerusalem's King David Hotel in 1946.
> Emanuel continued his father's tradition of active support for Israel;
> during the 1991 Gulf War he volunteered to help maintain Israeli army
> vehicles near the Lebanon border when southern Lebanon was still occupied by
> Israeli forces.
> As White House political director in the first Clinton administration,
> Emanuel orchestrated the famous 1993 signing ceremony of the "Declaration of
> Principles" between Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli prime
> minister Yitzhak Rabin. Emanuel was elected to Congress representing a north
> Chicago district in 2002 and he is credited with a key role in delivering a
> Democratic majority in the 2006 mid-term elections. He has been a prominent
> supporter of neoliberal economic policies on free trade and welfare reform.
> One of the most influential politicians and fundraisers in his party,
> Emanuel accompanied Obama to a meeting of AIPAC's executive board just after
> the Illinois senator had addressed the pro-Israel lobby's conference last
> June.
> In Congress, Emanuel has been a consistent and vocal pro-Israel hardliner,
> sometimes more so than President Bush. In June 2003, for example, he signed
> a letter criticizing Bush for being insufficiently supportive of Israel. "We
> were deeply dismayed to hear your criticism of Israel for fighting acts of
> terror," Emanuel, along with 33 other Democrats wrote to Bush. The letter
> said that Israel's policy of assassinating Palestinian political leaders
> "was clearly justified as an application of Israel's right to self-defense"
> ("Pelosi supports Israel's attacks on Hamas group," San Francisco Chronicle,
> 14 June 2003).
> In July 2006, Emanuel was one of several members who called for the
> cancellation of a speech to Congress by visiting Iraqi prime minister Nouri
> al-Maliki because al-Maliki had criticized Israel's bombing of Lebanon.
> Emanuel called the Lebanese and Palestinian governments "totalitarian
> entities with militias and terrorists acting as democracies" in a 19 July
> 2006 speech supporting a House resolution backing Israel's bombing of both
> countries that caused thousands of civilian victims.
> Emanuel has sometimes posed as a defender of Palestinian lives, though
> never from the constant Israeli violence that is responsible for the vast
> majority of deaths and injuries. On 14 June 2007 he wrote to US Secretary of
> State Condoleezza Rice "on behalf of students in the Gaza Strip whose future
> is threatened by the ongoing fighting there" which he blamed on "the
> violence and militancy of their elders." In fact, the fighting between
> members of Hamas and Fatah, which claimed dozens of lives, was the result of
> a failed scheme by US-backed militias to violently overthrow the elected
> Hamas-led national unity government. Emanuel's letter urged Rice "to work
> with allies in the region, such as Egypt and Jordan, to either find a secure
> location in Gaza for these students, or to transport them to a neighboring
> country where they can study and take their exams in peace." Palestinians
> often view such proposals as a pretext to permanently "transfer" them from
> their country, as many Israeli leaders have threatened. Emanuel has never
> said anything in support of millions of Palestinian children whose education
> has been disrupted by Israeli occupation, closures and blockades.
> Emanuel has also used his position to explicitly push Israel's interests in
> normalizing relations with Arab states and isolating Hamas. In 2006 he
> initiated a letter to President Bush opposing United Arab Emirates
> (UAE)-based Dubai Ports World's attempt to buy the management business of
> six US seaports. The letter, signed by dozens of other lawmakers, stated
> that "The UAE has pledged to provide financial support to the Hamas-led
> government of the Palestinian Authority and openly participates in the Arab
> League boycott against Israel." It argued that allowing the deal to go
> through "not only could place the safety and security of US ports at risk,
> but enhance the ability of the UAE to bolster the Hamas regime and its
> efforts to promote terrorism and violence against Israel" ("Dems Tie Israel,
> Ports," Forward, 10 March 2006).
> Ira Forman, executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council,
> told Fox News that picking Emanuel is "just another indication that despite
> the attempts to imply that Obama would somehow appoint the wrong person or
> listen to the wrong people when it comes to the US-Israel relationship ...
> that was never true."
> Over the course of the campaign, Obama publicly distanced himself from
> friends and advisers suspected or accused of having "pro-Palestinian"
> sympathies. There are no early indications of a more balanced course.
> Co-founder of The Electronic Intifada, Ali Abunimah is author of One
> Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli- Palestinian Impasse
> (Metropolitan Books, 2006).
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