[eDebate] Philip Berg Lawsuit v Obama is filed with the wrong court

Art Kyriazis akbiotech
Thu Oct 23 17:19:26 CDT 2008


Dear Friends:

I noted some comments on a lawsuit which an attorney from the great 
Commonwealth of PA, Mr. Phillip Berg of Lafayette Hill, has allegedly 
filed in U.S. District Court, against one of the candidates in the 
Presidential Election.

I was formerly a law clerk to the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania and 
practiced election law for many years in PA. 

I mention this because the Commonwealth Court of PA has exclusive 
original and appellate jurisdiction of all challenges to election 
ballots, petitions and so forth of the kind that Mr. Berg is trying to 
make, albeit his complaint shows no particular acquaintance with 
election law as it is normally practiced in Pennsylvania.

To give an example, when Ralph Nader wanted to run as an independent in 
2004, the proper petitions to knock him off the ballot, challenging his 
nominating petitions, were filed in Commonwealth Court, and in such an 
election challenge, the winner gets legal costs.  In that case, not only 
did Nader lose, but he was ordered to pay legal fees of more than fifty 
thousand dollars to the Democratic Party, which I believe was the 
plaintiff in that action. 

The point is, the form of the complaint, and the jurisdictional filing 
of the complaint, by Mr. Berg, are both wrong. 

Also, the timing is wrong.  This should have been filed much earlier in 
the election season.  I am pretty sure he's time-barred at this point.

Final point, he can't file in federal court unless he's exhausted 
administrative, party and state court remedies.  He doesn't show that 
he's done any of that. 

This is an improper filing for these and many other reasons. 

Also, the filing is full of impertinent, defamatory and improper 
materials that are irrelevant to the issue of whether the candidate has 
filed a proper nominating petition or properly belongs on the ballot, 
which is the narrow issue before the court.

I no longer practice law, but it seems to me that if Mr. Berg or any one 
else wanted to do discovery on the issue of the candidate's birth 
certificate, I would recommend he consult with Hawaii counsel, and 
institute some kind of a proper challenge in that state that is focused, 
limited and confined to the narrow issue of the birth certificate, and 
get a local judge in Hawaii to issue an order unsealing the records for 
all to see, if the issue is even justiciable.

Incidentally, even if Obama was born abroad of a United States Citizen, 
Obama would /still/ be eligible to be President.  Persons born abroad of 
one or more United States citizens are considered to be "natural born 
citizens" under the United States Constitution because they are 
conferred citizenship status automatically by virtue of their parents' 
citizenship.  George Romney, Mitt Romney's dad, who was the major 
challenger to the 1968 Republican Presidential Nomination when he was 
Governor of Michigan,  who was born abroad of United States citizens, 
had this issue thoroughly researched by his presidential team in the 
1960s, and there is no barrier to those born abroad of United States 
citizens being President under the "natural born citizen" clause.

In short, the "natural born citizen" clause encompasses more than just 
persons born in the territorial United States.  Thus Mr. Berg's basic 
assumption that the candidate will somehow be ineligible if found to be 
born in, let's say, Indonesia, of an American parent, would be 
completely wrong.  A person born in Indonesia of a U.S. citizen is a 
natural born citizen eligible to be President of the United States, 
assuming that individual meets the other qualifications.

Again, I won't supply the legal sources, because George Romney had this 
researched during his campaign. 

--Art Kyriazis, Philly

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>    1. Debate job in Texas starting next year (michael hester)
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>    3. ESU Pflaum Debates - Open Awards (J T)
>    4. ESU Pflaum Debates - JV Awards (J T)
>    5. esu more awards (J T)
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>   10. Tournament invitation hosted by Los Angeles City Col
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>   11. 4 rounds for sale at harvard (stephen davis)
>   12. where is obama's birth certificate? (Old Strega)
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>   15. Re: where is obama's birth certificate? (Old Strega)
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>   36. Presentation information for Architecture Debate Club
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>   39. inconsistencies undermine factcheck analysis (Old Strega)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:00:15 -0400
> From: "michael hester" <uwgdebate at gmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] Debate job in Texas starting next year
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> hey everyone,
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> a friend of mine is the dean of A&S at UT-Tyler and they are interested in
> doing CEDA/NDT debate starting next year. she'd be a very good boss and the
> school is ready to support the team in terms of $$$$. They are willing to
> offer the job as a tenure-track position OR not, depending on what will get
> them the best debate coach. i.e., they are flexible.
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> i'm gathering names for her. so if you're interested, let me know.
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> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:05:52 -0400
> From: "michael hester" <uwgdebate at gmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] 2 rounds of Shirley judging for sale
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> i'm selling two rounds of judging - $50 cash provided by saturday of the
> tournament.
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> if this fits what you need and can do, let me know.
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> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: J T <jtedebate at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] ESU Pflaum Debates - Open Awards
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> Most Preferred Critic (via prefs)--Louie Petit--North Texas
>
> OPEN
> 1. Coleman-Wichita
> 2. A.Casey-UCO
> 3. E. Robinson-Witchita
> 4. A. Jack-Kansas
> 5. B. Mendenhall-K-State
> 6. Avery Henry-UCO
> 7. E. Defilippis-OU
> 8. J. Garcia-UMKC
> 9. C. Spurlock-UCO
> 10.Stacy Spomer-UCO
>
> OPEN
>
> Partial-Doubles
> Concordia MT (aff) over Baylor MN   Zarazan, Morris*, Cram-Helwich
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> Octos
> WSU CR (aff) over Concordia MT    Vega, B. Warner, S. Maurer
> UCO CS (Neg) over OU BY            Dipiazza, Harlow, Winfrey
> UCO HS (Neg) over K-State GH     E. Short, J. Russell*, P. Samuels
> WSU BR (Aff) over OU DT             Herndon, 8Pennington, H. Tripe-Roberts
> K-State MZ (Neg) over UNT MS     Cram-Helwich, T.Easley
> KU JW (Neg) over OU KT              R. Smith, Tiara Naputi, L. Petit
> Baylor CM (Neg) over Mo State GK Zarazan, T. Jordan, J. Davis
> Kansas KS (Neg) over Concordia LR  J. Roberts, S. Snider Green, Malgor
>
> Quarters PAIRINGS
> KU KS vs. WSU CR                     J. Davis, H. Tripe-Roberts, Zarazan
> Baylor CM vs. UCO CS                 Cram Helwich, Harlow, H. Walters
> KU JW vs.UCO HS                       R. Smith, J. Russell, Z. Brown
> K-State MZ (neg) vs. WSU BR       Winfrey, B. Warner, P. Samuels
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> W. James Taylor ("JT")
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> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
> From: J T <jtedebate at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] ESU Pflaum Debates - JV Awards
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>  JV Speakers
>  1. F. Katschke-Wichita
>   2. V. Kumar-UTSA
>   3. A. Cortelyou-Wichita
>   4. Z. Hartkopp-JCCC
>   5. L. Nordstrom-OU
>   6. S. Winkle-Kansas
>   7. Sean Sales-UCO
>   8. G. Funcheon-K-State
>   9. K. Zahrai-OU
>   10.B. Dabari-OU
>
> Partial OCtos
> UTSA CT (aff) over Minnesota ST       *Harlow, T. Easley, N. Pennington
> KU DW (Neg) over JCCC XX              *R. Smith, R. Patterson, K. Thompson
> K-State FM (aff) over UCO DS           *C. Hamilton, H. Walters, Tiara Naputi
>
> Quarters
> OU NW over K-State FM                   J. Johnson, J. Jarman, E. Marlow
> Minnesota KS over KU DW               C. Hamilton, Z. Brown, K. Doris
> WSU CK over USTA CT                    J. Massey, C. Good, S. Ketchum
> JCCC HW over OU WZ                      H. Walters, Mike Kearney, M. Burke
>
> Sems (in progress)
> JCCC HW (Aff) vs. OU NW               Pennington, J. Jarman, K. Doris
> Minnesota KS over WSU CK            E. Marlwo, S. Ketchum, T. Easley
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: J T <jtedebate at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] esu more awards
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> OPEN Quarters
> UCO CS over Baylor CM 3-0  
> UCO HS over KU JW  2-1
> K-State MZ  over WSU BR  3-0
> WSU CR over KU KS  3-0
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> JV Sems
> Minnesota KS over WSU CK  2-1
> JCCC HW over OU NW  2-1
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> W. James Taylor ("JT")
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> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:28:24 -0400
> From: Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] esu more awards
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> Go Bronchos!
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> UCO Alum, Josh Hoe
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:19 PM, J T <jtedebate at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>   
>> OPEN Quarters
>> UCO CS over Baylor CM 3-0
>> UCO HS over KU JW  2-1
>> K-State MZ  over WSU BR  3-0
>> WSU CR over KU KS  3-0
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>> JV Sems
>> Minnesota KS over WSU CK  2-1
>> JCCC HW over OU NW  2-1
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>> W. James Taylor ("JT")
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:30:42 -0400
> From: "john rief" <jrwatchtower at gmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] Pitt Looking for Four Rounds At Harvard
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> I know its late in the game but the edebate breakdown made this message
> impossible to post last week.  Pitt is looking to hire 4 rounds of judging
> at Harvard.  If anyone out there still has a few rounds they can sell, it
> would be much appreciated.  We will generously compensate you.  Individuals
> already attending with room/board covered are preferred.  Please contact me
> asap so we can make changes before Harvard prefs are up.
>
> Thanks in advance!
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> Best,
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> John Rief
> Assistant Director of Policy Debate
> William Pitt Debating Union
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:10:11 -0500
> From: "Calum Matheson" <u.hrair at gmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] Fwd: Debate Documentary
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> Tried to send this awhile ago.  This is from the director, Douglas Robbins:
>
> The DEBATE TEAM DOCUMENTARY (www.debateteamdocumentary.com) is happy to
> announce that we have been invited to show the film at the San Francisco
> International Documentary Film Festival this month!  So awesome.
>
> The documentary will run on three dates only:
>
>    * On Sunday, October 19, 2008, 7:15 p.m. at the Roxie Cinema in San
> Francisco;
>    * On Tuesday October 21, 7:15 p.m., again at the Roxie;
>    * And on Sunday November 2, 2008, 9:30 p.m. at the Shattuck Cinema in
> Berkeley.
>
> If you are in California during those dates, please go here to buy tickets
> in advance, as the theatre might sell out:
>
> https://sfdocfest08.withoutabox.com/festivals/event_item.php?id=18322
>
> These three dates are likely the only time that the movie will show in a
> theatre in California and the tickets will go fast. The Director and
> Producer will be there to talk about the documentary after the show and will
> sell signed copies of the DVD!
>
> No need to respond to this e-mail to reserve tickets, just go buy some!  And
> please please come to the Shattuck showing in Berkeley if you can.  At that
> showing, we'll be giving away free DVDs and wine gift baskets.  No joke!
>  Support debate.  Support independent film!
>
> Douglas
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:51:33 -0400
> From: "Kuswa, Kevin" <kkuswa at richmond.edu>
> Subject: [eDebate] Richmond Elim Results
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>  
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> 08 RICHMOND JV:
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>  
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> Partial Octafinal Round Results
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>  
>
> Pittsburgh NN (Neg) defeated George Mason Univers JL 3-0 Gartman, Jake Bryson, Donald Bonneau, Scott
>
> Wayne State Universi MQ (Aff) defeated Mary Washington GT 3-0 Packer, Joe Hall, Michael Skinner, Beth
>
> Johns Hopkins KS (Neg) defeated Mary Washington XX 3-0 Hall, Heather Verney-O'Gorma, Halydier, Garret
>
>  
>
> Quarterfinal Round Results
>
>  
>
> Binghamton GS (Aff) defeated Johns Hopkins KS 2-1 Packer, Joe Green, RJ *Skinner, Beth
>
> Binghamton BT (Aff) defeated Wayne State Universi MQ 2-1 *Ryan, Nick Hall, Heather Bowers, Jeremy
>
> Liberty University BP (Aff) defeated Pittsburgh NN 2-1 Gartman, Jake Schatz, Joe *Jones, Chris
>
> Liberty University GW (Aff) defeated Appalachian State JL 3-0 Bonneau, Scott O'Donnell, Tim Noerr, Rob
>
>  
>
> Semifinal Round Results
>
>  
>
> Liberty University GW (Neg) defeated Binghamton GS 3-0 Bonneau, Scott Goss, Judy Lyle, Jim
>
> Liberty University BP (Neg) defeated Binghamton BT 2-1 Hester, Mike Koehle, Joe *Skinner, Beth
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>  
>
> Final Round Results
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>  
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> Liberty University BP Advances Over Liberty University GW
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>  
>
>  
>
> 08 RICHMOND Novice
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>  
>
> Partial Double Octafinal Round Results
>
>  
>
> Liberty University TT (Aff) defeated Appalachian State AH 3-0 Rief, John Keeton, Joe O'Donnell, Tim
>
> Clarion University MS (Neg) defeated U.s. Naval Academy CS 3-0 Collins, Will Ryan, Nick Nagy, John
>
> Mary Washington MV (Aff) defeated South Florida St. Pet OT 2-1 *Schraeder, Jenni Eagleton, Ben Davis, Stephen
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>  
>
> Octafinal Round Results
>
>  
>
> Binghamton CJ (Aff) defeated Mary Washington MV 3-0 Ryan, Andrew Schraeder, Jenni Padgett, Rodger
>
> Liberty University DT (Neg) defeated Clarion University MS 3-0 Verney-O'Gorma, Weiner, Jake Beaton, Hunter
>
> Liberty University TT (Aff) defeated Wayne State Universi JS 2-1 Lyle, Jim Fleischmann, Cas *Patel, Nisha
>
> Binghamton FT (Aff) defeated Appalachian State TV 3-0 Nagy, Adrianne Saindon, Brent Goss, Judy
>
> Liberty University HL Advances Over Liberty University KM
>
> Clarion University HP (Neg) defeated Liberty University DE 2-1 Collins, Will Passantino, Andr *Tajima, Noriaki
>
> John Carroll Univers NV (Aff) defeated George Mason Univers BT 3-0 Nagy, John Rief, John Willis, Mariam
>
> Mary Washington HS (Aff) defeated George Mason Univers BC 2-1 *Halydier, Garret Hoyle, Lee Lind, Stephen
>
>  
>
> Quarterfinal Round Results
>
>  
>
> Binghamton CJ (Neg) defeated Mary Washington HS 3-0 Hall, Heather Lind, Stephen Halydier, Garret
>
> Liberty University DT (Neg) defeated John Carroll Univers NV 3-0 Bryson, Donald O'Donnell, Tim Noerr, Rob
>
> Liberty University TT (Neg) defeated Clarion University HP 2-1 Weiner, Jake *Schatz, Joe Jones, Chris
>
> Binghamton FT (Neg) defeated Liberty University HL 2-1 Hoyle, Lee Davis, Stephen *Packer, Joe
>
>  
>
> Semifinal Round Results
>
> Binghamton CJ Advances Over Binghamton FT
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> Liberty University DT Advances Over Liberty University TT
>
>  
>
> Final Round Results
>
> Binghamton CJ (Neg) defeated Liberty University DT 3-0 Hester, Mike Skinner, Beth Koehle, Joe
>
>  
>
>  
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> 08 RICHMOND OPEN:
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>  
>
> Partial Octafinal Round Results
>
>  
>
> Towson EM (Aff) defeated Liberty University FW 2-1 Bellon, Joe *Lee, Adam R. Schatz, Joe
>
> Pittsburgh LS (Neg) defeated Binghamton TW 2-1 *Hester, Mike Green, RJ Cherian, Asha
>
> George Mason Univers HO (Aff) defeated Mary Washington SS 3-0 Sharp, Jon Davis, Mike Lyle, Jim
>
> Pittsburgh KM (Neg) defeated Mary Washington GM 2-1 Koehle, Joe Arnold, Mark *Jones, Chris
>
> Binghamton CO (Aff) defeated Georgia State BG 2-1 Noerr, Rob Bowers, Jeremy *Bowman, Pamela
>
> Liberty University DG (Aff) defeated James Madison CF 2-1 *Brovero, Adrienn Weiner, Jake Wiley, Elizabeth
>
>  
>
> Quarterfinal Round Results
>
>  
>
> West Georgia MS (Aff) defeated Liberty University DG 2-1 Bellon, Joe *Lee, Adam R. Bryson, Donald
>
> Binghamton CO (Neg) defeated Kentucky CG 2-1 Koehle, Joe Hester, Mike *Brovero, Adrienn
>
> Towson EM (Aff) defeated Pittsburgh KM 3-0 Congdon, Kelly Bowman, Pamela Sharp, Jon
>
> George Mason Univers HO (Aff) defeated Pittsburgh LS 2-1 Hausrath, Bary *Davis, Mike Arnold, Mark
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>  
>
> Semifinal Round Results
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>  
>
> West Georgia MS (Neg) defeated George Mason Univers HO 3-0 Rief, John Davis, Mike Brovero, Adrienn
>
> Towson EM (Neg) defeated Binghamton CO 3-0 Bowman, Pamela Bowers, Jeremy Saindon, Brent
>
>  
>
> Final Round Results
>
>  
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> West Georgia MS (Aff) defeated Towson EM 2-1 Gartman, Jake *Nagy, John Hall, Heather
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:52:52 -0700
> From: <jbruschke at fullerton.edu>
> Subject: [eDebate] Tournament invitation hosted by Los Angeles City
> 	Col
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:44:57 -0400
> From: "stephen davis" <proudsavage at gmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] 4 rounds for sale at harvard
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:50:56 -0500
> From: Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] where is obama's birth certificate?
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> Cc: info at johnmccain.com, rush at eibnet.com, 70277.2502 at compuserve.com
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> i have not turned republican but i'm curious why the court cases against obama and the DNC regarding the "existence" of his birth certificate are not a part of public discussion in the run-up to the election.   it's seems to me the most fundamental argument regarding character out there.   as it sits right now with the case, obama appears to have forged a birth certificate to squeak through the primaries.   his unwillingness to produce a real birth certificate in a legal case does not jive with his demands for other candidates to produce tax returns, health records, etc.   if obama doesn't have a birth certificate, then he is a fraud who has faked natural born citizenship for personal gains and that is not the decent man mccain described to angry crowds in recent weeks.      does obama have a birth certificate?   was he born in kenya?   why are there so many discrepancies amongst his siblings as to which country he was born in and which hospital?     why are biographers being
>   kicked out of kenya for investigating his family?    what stake does kenya have in the US election?
>
> this is a plea for mccain/palin, rush limbaugh and fox news to make obama's citizenship the forefront issue of the campaign.    i encourage debaters concerned about the serious possibility of senator obama being a fraud to amplify this message to rush at eibnet.com, 70277.2502 at compuserve.com, info at johnmccain.com.  contact fox news and ask why they are not running the story :1-888-369-4762.    the best argument against obama is not being deployed.   why?
>
> perhaps, it's best for obama to win and then get impeached.
>
> if you are unfamiliar with berg vs. obama and the DNC, please watch this utube video where mr. berg outlines his case.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzFl-Gm_Kc
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> the complete story resides @:
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> http://www.obamacrimes.com/
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> here is the amended complaint:
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> Monday, 06 October 2008 18:44 administrator
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> Phil J. Berg filed an amended complaint today in Berg v. Obama. The amended complaint adds the Pennsylvania Department of State, the Secretary of the Commonwealth Pedro A. Cortes (in his official capacity), the U. S. Sentate Committee on Rules and Administration, and Senator Diane Feinstein (in her official capacity as chairman) for their failure to exercise due diligence with respect to Barack Obama's contitutional qualifications to be elected and serve as President of The United States, and for his inclusion on the ballot in Pennsylvania as a candidate for President of the United States.
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> The amended complaint also bolsters the standing argument and adds additional relevent facts.
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> Essentially, the argument is this:
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> Senator Obama could put this whole issue to rest by providing an official "vault copy" birth certificate.
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> Senator Obama  has chosen not to do so.
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> The defendants (other than Obama) have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the electoral system by properly vetting the qualifications of candidates, which they have failed to perform.
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> Mr. Berg, other Americans, and our system of government are damaged by this failure.
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> Senator Obama, who has collected $425,000,000 in campaign contributions, has perpetrated a fraud. end quote
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> senator obama is a fraud who has forged a hawaiian birth certificate which has subsequently been withdrawn from his website.    neither the forgery nor any original birth certificate were submitted to the judge in the first appearance.   instead mr. obama filed for a motion to dismiss.   berg emphasizes the weakness of this "strategy" given the logical appeal to the 3rd circuit or the supreme court.   
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> i am most amazed with the obama supporters who are satisfied that their candidate has not provided a birth certificate in the legal case in order to completely dispel the controversy and that their candidate has removed the forgery from his website.   "belief" has come into conflict with the constitution and any pretense of public accountability called straight talk.    the obama fans are willing to bypass the constitution to get their change.
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> the mass media boycott of the berg case against obama is disgusting.  obama fans support the windfall obama is getting from the media blackout.   there are now 3 suits against obama regarding his citizenship.   
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> http://tsfiles.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/obama?s-citizenship-in-doubt-suits-filed-in-hawaii-and-washington/
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> Pennsylvania attorney Philip Berg is not alone. There are now currently three lawsuits questioning the eligibility of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama to serve as president of the United States ? the first, of course, is Berg?s, while the other two include an action filed in Washington State Superior Court last week and one filed Friday in a Hawaiian state court.
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> Unlike Berg?s case, which names Obama, the Democratic National Committee and Federal Election Commission as defendants (Berg has a pending motion for leave to amend his original complaint which would add California Sen. Dianne Feinstein and the Senate Rules Committee as well), the other lawsuits are geared toward ballot inclusion and document production.
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> The suit in Washington State, filed against Secretary of State Sam Reed by Fall City, WA resident Steven Marquis, seeks the removal of Barack Obama from the ballot until the candidate provided an answer to what Marquis says are ?unanswered questions surrounding Obama?s citizenship and background,? the answers for which effectively avoid ?a ?constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest? which would arise should information come to light after the election which shows that the Illinois senator is ineligible to hold the presidency.?
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:16:48 EDT
> From: MWBRYANT at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] where is obama's birth certificate?
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> Cc: edebate at ndtceda.com
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> 1. Is this is the best anti-Obama argument you can produce?!
>  
> 2. His mother was clearly a US citizen.
>  
> 3. The location of his birth (Hawaii!) is not really the question. If his  
> mother was a US citizen, Obama would be a US citizen even if he was born in  
> Moscow.
>  
> 4. Why is this on eDebate?
>  
> 5. More importantly, what is your real motive? No one buys for one second  
> that you're just a concerned patriot...
>  
> And I'll sign my name. Bet you won't. 
>  
> BTW, why do you think MCCain/Palin both refuse to release their medical  
> records?
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> Michael Bryant
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:30:33 -0400
> From: "stephen davis" <proudsavage at gmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] nevermind
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