[eDebate] where is obama's birth certificate?
Tue Oct 21 07:14:41 CDT 2008
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
> it's stroube. i've written many times under oldstrega. time has elapsed which makes it difficult for some people to remember but for the sake of identity i hope i have satisfied you.
> given that obama's mother was not of age to make him a natural born citizen,
> what else but a US birth certificate like the hawaiian document which used to be posted on obama's website could substantiate mr. obama as a us citizen?
> and, if we was born in kenya as 3 of his siblings and his grandmother claim would he not be ineligible for the presidency given that his mother was not of age for natural born citizenship?
> either obama was born in the US or he was born elsewhere. if he was born elsewhere like kenya, he's not qualified to be president. that's the basis of the berg case against obama and the DNC. the case would be over already if obama had produced a birth certificate instead of filing a motion to dismiss. why did obama not produce a birth certificate and end the controversy out right? because he doesn't need to prove that he was born in hawaii and not kenya to be eligible for president?
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:54:15 -0400
>> From: dperkins at fas.harvard.edu
>> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
>> CC: mwbryant at aol.com; edebate at ndtceda.com
>> Subject: Re: [eDebate] where is obama's birth certificate?
>> Bear may be a little sketchy on the law of citizenship, but YOU don't know
>> much about the burden of proof in civil cases in US Courts.
>> And you still don't sign your name. This sounds like Matt Schiros to me,
>> and not just the politics.
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Old Strega wrote:
>>> it's not my argument. it's a court case. 3 court cases.
>>> you're wrong to be a natural born citizen, obama's mother must have been 19 years of age when she gave birth to barack in kenya. his mother was only 18. that's the reason for the hawaiian birth certificate. 3 siblings claim he was born in kenya and his grandmother. his sister claims he was born in one honolulu hospital while barak claims he was born in the other.
>>> you should review the law before kneejerking.
>>> FACT -- OBAMA HAS YET TO PRODUCE IN COURT A REAL HAWAIIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO COMPLETELY ASSURE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT HE IS A NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN. the fake was withdrawn from his website. there are sufficient grounds for questioning his credibility.
>>> the burden of proof in berg and the other two ballot inclusion cases is on barack. he has failed to meet the burden of proof. you don't know the legal criteria for natural born citizenship and are just flailing.
>>> the move to censor on edebate goes well with the media blackout of the court cases and rings a strange bell with practices of the obama campaign with regards to internal dissent. apparently, many anti-obama websites have been periodically shut down.
>>>> From: MWBRYANT at aol.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:16:48 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [eDebate] where is obama's birth certificate?
>>>> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
>>>> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com
>>>> 1. Is this is the best anti-Obama argument you can produce?!
>>>> 2. His mother was clearly a US citizen.
>>>> 3. The location of his birth (Hawaii!) is not really the question. If his mother was a US citizen, Obama would be a US citizen even if he was born in Moscow.
>>>> 4. Why is this on eDebate?
>>>> 5. More importantly, what is your real motive? No one buys for one second that you're just a concerned patriot...
>>>> And I'll sign my name. Bet you won't.
>>>> BTW, why do you think MCCain/Palin both refuse to release their medical records?
>>>> Michael Bryant
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