[eDebate] ceda forum forum

Mike Davis davismk13
Wed Oct 22 21:24:24 CDT 2008

I floated this idea to Joe Bellon a few years ago when CEDA said any
tournament could clear half the field. What about 6 rounds and clear
half the field? Less rounds for half the teams at the tournament, but
more of a chance for teams that are normally on the outside to get
some big time elim experience.


On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com> wrote:
> If the point is that the tournament staff wants less total time at the
> tournament/tournament hotel I certainly understand that having a less
> massive tournament with a smaller break would be great.
> This, however, is the Dixie, the biggest first semester tournament...the
> ONLY tournament that is common for virtually every program regardless of
> district, style of debate, etc.  If the Dixie no longer wants to be that
> tournament that makes sense.  If 100 teams attend the Dixie 68 of those
> teams will pay a LARGE amount of money to get two less rounds of debate then
> they usually get.  32 of those teams will have the same outround start times
> the next morning.  For 8 of those teams getting one less round on outround
> day will make a huge difference.....I guess, all I am saying is that maybe
> the value of 8 prelims for the 68 teams is more important then the late
> outround comfort of the 4/8 teams in at the end....especially given the
> massive costs of travel for most everyone to the tournament.
> Now, Ross has the right to run his tournament anyway he wants to....In
> particular, the innovations to debate, the caselist, and every other great
> thing he has done for the community gives him carte blanche...I am only
> saying that maybe this one time, the idea wasnt so good,
> Josh
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Brad Hall <hallbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Everyone should also keep in mind the humane treatment of the people
>> running the tournament. For the squads who do actually host tournaments,
>> they spend even longer at the tournament than participants do. They arrive
>> much earlier to make sure rooms are unlocked, cleaned, ballots out, etc and
>> leave much later. Of 6 Dixies (so far), I only made it to the banquet once
>> and often room cleaning, updating the scouting and other tasks keep debaters
>> and coaches up even later. At the very least, we should keep all of this in
>> mind when trashing rooms, irresponsibly starting debates late and
>> interacting with those who host tournaments.
>> Also note that the JV breakout will actually result in more debates for
>> some younger teams (and with more judges).
>> Brad Hall
>> On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ross et al,
>> The problem is that the people who want more elims are not the same people
>> who want more prelims.  As you probably have noticed, some coaches get more
>> than a little frustrated when tournaments are put together on the basis ONLY
>> of serving the best and brightest because a great deal of people who debate
>> never get the benefits of said treatment.
>> In addition, schools with young debaters who are trying to get them to
>> "bid" level generally try to get them as many rounds as possible against the
>> GOOD teams - two less rounds in prelims for a team that likely will not
>> clear is two less rounds they can debate good teams.
>> Now, that said, usually I agree with most of your "innovations and
>> experiments" and like that you are always trying new ways to make the
>> tournament experience and/or debate experience better.
>> Josh
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Ross Smith <smithr at wfu.edu> wrote:
>>> Repko created a thread there. No commenters. People just use edebate
>>> (even though it was down for a long time).
>>> Meanwhile, I can't create an account at the CEDA forum because it wants
>>> some damn code I do not have and there is not even a "contact us" or FAQ
>>> at that website.
>>> Oh well.
>>> Gary Larson is right about prefs.
>>> People do not want 13 4 hour (including pre-round prep, decisions,
>>> post-round, bathrooms, smoking, lunch . .  .) debates in 3 days time.
>>> Everyone says they want more prelims except when they want more elims.
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Dr. Michael Davis
Director of Debate/Assistant Professor
James Madison University

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