[eDebate] inconsistencies undermine factcheck analysis

Old Strega oldstrega
Thu Oct 23 23:50:17 CDT 2008

the old lacy switch.

conflict of interest was a bad alley to run up.   so, now we switch the subject to the martin case in hawaii.   at least lacy is now off the desperation ad-hominem tactic.

i don't care about martin and his theory.  that's why i started with berg and is you is or is you ain't born in kenya?

the hawaiian lawsuit calling for FISA cagliostro's birth certificate is less appealling to me than berg, the former deputy assistant attorney general of the state of pennsylvania.    

but for the uneducated in barack biography problems, here's martin's theory.   there are 3 lawsuits against cagliostro BLACKED OUT BY THE MEDIA and martin's demand for the VAULT COPY OF OBAMA'S birth certificate is the latest to which lacy refers in his last post after losing the conflict of interest debate:


> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:18:10 -0400
> From: lacyjp at wfu.edu
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] inconsistencies undermine factcheck analysis
> Thats why he's visiting his "sick" grandmother in Hawaii.
> Its a cover to go and "fix" his birth certificate problems.
> On 10/21/2008 10:55 AM, Old Strega wrote:
>> http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm
>> the key quote:
>> Rather than asking the hard questions of Obama himself, or even the Obama campaign, or even requesting additional documents from the State of Hawaii in the public interest (they said they "tried" to ask about the long form but failed to get an answer), FactCheck falls back on the rather lame claim that the short form has "enough information to be acceptable to the State Department" and goes so far as to include a footnote linking to the State Department's Passport application requirements. 
>> But isn't that bar set a bit too low for the man who wants to be President, especially as you can be a citizen without being "natural born" as article two of the Constitution require, especially when there are multiple reports coming from Kenya -- including several from Obama's own relatives -- that he was actually born in Kenya and came to Hawaii only days after birth, apparently at his mother's insistence that he would be recorded as being born in the USA? Apparently not too low for FactCheck. From their report it would appear that they are not interested or, perhaps more correctly, conflicted in their interests. 
>> But the repeated references to State Department requirements for a passport take on a new significance in the light of the recognition, pointed out by an Israel Insider reader, that this "new" certificate of live birth is recorded as being photographed on March 12, 2008, and a contract employee of an Obama advisor -- allegedly a former CIA agent -- was caught breaking into Obama's passport files on March 14, 2008. Indeed, his passport file was looked at twice before--both times BEFORE this "certification of live birth" (not "certificate of birth," as FactCheck sloppily calls it) was photographed. 
>> Shades of Watergate dirty tricks! Were those passport file break-ins ever investigated or prosecuted? Is it coincidental then that FactCheck inexplicably and repeatedly points out that this certificate of live birth contains all data required by the State Dept. to receive a passport? 
>> The issue has never been whether or not Obama can prove U.S. citizenship well enough to get a passport. He gets around just fine, on one passport or another. The issues are where he was born, whether he is a natural born citizen under the Constitution, whether he ever was a citizen of another country, and, if so, whether he ever renounced that foreign citizenship. So why exactly was someone associated with Obama's campaign looking into his passport files? A suspicious mind might speculate that it was to see whether there was already a certificate of live birth (or a birth certificate) on file in the passport office and/or to see which data it contained and whether ALL data matched up with what was on the photographed certificate and to ensure that all data matched up with what Obama wants us to believe about his birth? 
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