[eDebate] inconsistencies undermine factcheck analysis
Fri Oct 24 00:45:29 CDT 2008
Yes, psycho-sympathy talk
No, the question was "what do you get out of it" since nobody gives a shit,
and you dont give a shit.
I might not know what 100% are thinking, but in this one instance, I bet if
we took a poll it would be 99% this is crazy.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
> just sounds like psycho sympathy talk, josh.
> i don't give a fuck what people think. if you think i ever did, you miss
> the point.
> come on, admit there are more edebate people than you could possibly ever
> know what they're all thinking?
> what do you confirm among your buds and the elite? stroube is a
> "SCREAMING FREAK".
> you act like this is a big struggle for me and i just want to be heard.
> > Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:31:36 -0400
> > From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> > To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [eDebate] inconsistencies undermine factcheck analysis
> > CC: lacyjp at wfu.edu; edebate at ndtceda.com
> > Wrong forum isnt the point at all, as I said POST all you want,
> > I asked you to stop posting while there are still two maybe three people
> that remember you when you were not this crazed screaming person that has
> gotten to where people literally groan when you de-cloak. I dare you to
> find three people on edebate who think anything you say is credible.....the
> sad thing, is even if you win you lose because you have taken everyone who
> might have been an ally and made everyone HATE even seeing your name,
> > How does this help you? Help whatever your cause is? Help Mccain or
> whoever you support?
> > Josh
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Old Strega wrote:
> > y
> > not exactly true. lacy keeps attempting to make arguments.
> > i have stopped "yelling" many a time. bear tried to argue but was so bad
> he joined you. we have another fellow arguing that the berg case was filed
> in the wrong court. ARE YOU SAYING THAT TOURNAMENT TALK IS ALL YOU CARE TO
> HEAR SO THAT'S ALL EVERYBODY WANTS TO HEAR? josh = everybody so josh =
> good cop.
> > basically, you're saying in backwards psychoanalyst speak, "josh, the
> robot, doesn't have an opinion on whether obama is qualified to be president
> and that the possibility of obama's fraudulent candidacy doesn't matter".
> > that i "was a good guy" is crap and stupid and edebate posts don't
> capture shit and you should know better.
> > you're an obsessive compulsive edebate topic cop who only wants to hear
> what pleases your ear. "wrong forum" has never been effective.
> > ________________________________
> >> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:05:50 -0400
> >> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> >> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> >> Subject: Re: [eDebate] inconsistencies undermine factcheck analysis
> >> CC: lacyjp at wfu.edu; edebate at ndtceda.com
> >> Please stop this, what possible good are you doing? As I said at the
> beginning of the whole thing - what in the world is it accomplishing...You
> are just making everyone get angry for no reason. Nobody is debating you
> because its pointless, you dont care what anyone says.
> >> Best case, you proved your point, we all learned our lesson, you win
> >> Worst case, you have an obsessive compulsive thing going on where even
> if nobody responds you keep yelling and yelling and yelling.
> >> As I said years ago, you were a great guy, what the hell is causing all
> this? Seriously, I am sure you hate me too (given your flip out on my
> several years ago) but I really don't hate you....Just want you to get over
> whatever is causing you to flip out on people all the time.
> >> Josh
> >> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Old Strega wrote:
> >> the old lacy switch.
> >> conflict of interest was a bad alley to run up. so, now we switch the
> subject to the martin case in hawaii. at least lacy is now off the
> desperation ad-hominem tactic.
> >> i don't care about martin and his theory. that's why i started with
> berg and is you is or is you ain't born in kenya?
> >> the hawaiian lawsuit calling for FISA cagliostro's birth certificate is
> less appealling to me than berg, the former deputy assistant attorney
> general of the state of pennsylvania.
> >> but for the uneducated in barack biography problems, here's martin's
> theory. there are 3 lawsuits against cagliostro BLACKED OUT BY THE MEDIA
> and martin's demand for the VAULT COPY OF OBAMA'S birth certificate is the
> latest to which lacy refers in his last post after losing the conflict of
> interest debate:
> >> http://contrariancommentary.blogspot.com/
> >> ----------------------------------------
> >>> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:18:10 -0400
> >>> From: lacyjp at wfu.edu
> >>> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> >>> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [eDebate] inconsistencies undermine factcheck analysis
> >>> Thats why he's visiting his "sick" grandmother in Hawaii.
> >>> Its a cover to go and "fix" his birth certificate problems.
> >>> On 10/21/2008 10:55 AM, Old Strega wrote:
> >>>> http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm
> >>>> the key quote:
> >>>> Rather than asking the hard questions of Obama himself, or even the
> Obama campaign, or even requesting additional documents from the State of
> Hawaii in the public interest (they said they "tried" to ask about the long
> form but failed to get an answer), FactCheck falls back on the rather lame
> claim that the short form has "enough information to be acceptable to the
> State Department" and goes so far as to include a footnote linking to the
> State Department's Passport application requirements.
> >>>> But isn't that bar set a bit too low for the man who wants to be
> President, especially as you can be a citizen without being "natural born"
> as article two of the Constitution require, especially when there are
> multiple reports coming from Kenya -- including several from Obama's own
> relatives -- that he was actually born in Kenya and came to Hawaii only days
> after birth, apparently at his mother's insistence that he would be recorded
> as being born in the USA? Apparently not too low for FactCheck. From their
> report it would appear that they are not interested or, perhaps more
> correctly, conflicted in their interests.
> >>>> But the repeated references to State Department requirements for a
> passport take on a new significance in the light of the recognition, pointed
> out by an Israel Insider reader, that this "new" certificate of live birth
> is recorded as being photographed on March 12, 2008, and a contract employee
> of an Obama advisor -- allegedly a former CIA agent -- was caught breaking
> into Obama's passport files on March 14, 2008. Indeed, his passport file was
> looked at twice before--both times BEFORE this "certification of live birth"
> (not "certificate of birth," as FactCheck sloppily calls it) was
> >>>> Shades of Watergate dirty tricks! Were those passport file break-ins
> ever investigated or prosecuted? Is it coincidental then that FactCheck
> inexplicably and repeatedly points out that this certificate of live birth
> contains all data required by the State Dept. to receive a passport?
> >>>> The issue has never been whether or not Obama can prove U.S.
> citizenship well enough to get a passport. He gets around just fine, on one
> passport or another. The issues are where he was born, whether he is a
> natural born citizen under the Constitution, whether he ever was a citizen
> of another country, and, if so, whether he ever renounced that foreign
> citizenship. So why exactly was someone associated with Obama's campaign
> looking into his passport files? A suspicious mind might speculate that it
> was to see whether there was already a certificate of live birth (or a birth
> certificate) on file in the passport office and/or to see which data it
> contained and whether ALL data matched up with what was on the photographed
> certificate and to ensure that all data matched up with what Obama wants us
> to believe about his birth?
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