[eDebate] lacy and obama group think tactics
Fri Oct 24 00:58:54 CDT 2008
I guess I'm a "pragmatist."
Even if abortion is the only difference, to me its one worth supporting
Obama. (And...a good reason for Pro-Life people to support McCain.)
Given no realistic alternative, I'd rather have a liberal orwellian than
a socially conservative orwellian.
What type of candidate could you support?
Old Strega wrote:
> i'm not voting for mccain.
> i simply called for mccain campaign and other right wing advocates to introduce obama's birth certificate into the national discussion. the blackout is hideous.
> i'm not voting. the presidential candidates are nearly identical except abortion. the neoconservatives have captured both parties. obama is republican lite supporting WAR in afghanistan, TAX CUTS for the middle class and RELIGION via faith based iniatives.
> the democrats haven't truly won an election in 28 years given ross perot handed clinton his victory. so the democrats decided to copy the three pillars of neoconservative philososphy with a half-black candidate and bring the anti-clinton social movements of the late 90's back into the fold of mainstream politics.
> sorry but faith based iniatitives are a gross continuation of bush and FISA makes obama a joke. if you "believe" in obama it doesn't matter how much he votes for bush surveillance or copies his neocon pillars, because obama = god and there's no need to question all of the similarities to bush.
> that's some of what i mean by a "liberal version of the orwellian nightmare". obama is an opportunist who knows the country is ready to switch parties but at the same time he's ready to capitalize on enhanced presidential powers of the previous administration, i.e. the vote for FISA.
> 8 years ago, i predicted that George W. Bush would reach the lowest approval ratings in history beating Richard Nixon. i was proven right over time even though the vast majority of edebaters defended bush and doubted bush would beat nixon for worst approval ratings. i said W = WORST president ever. but i get no credit from amnesiacs who just want to run tournaments. in the tradition of mort sahl, i will attack all presidential candidates. obama is not the answer to bush. the birth certificate, the FISA vote, and faith-based iniatitives are all signs that we are on the brink of an even more sinister, liberal version of the orwellian nightmare because moveon.org and the remnants of the anti-clintonistas have been absorbed into the mainstream of party politics.
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