[eDebate] lacy and obama group think tactics

Old Strega oldstrega
Fri Oct 24 08:42:32 CDT 2008

edebaters -- ones who participated in the discussion.   it was me vs. you and several others.   check the archives.     i did have andy ellis and few others parlaying the case against the iraq war before it happened when just like now no one seemed to care.    now everybody cares about a candidate who using the same stance i took to make him immune from his support of idiot bush's warantless wiretapping.   the "anti-bush" obama people look the other way because they BELIEVE....

thanks for verifying.    remember, i predicted bush would reach lowest approval ratings ever.   hyland laughed at me.

i'm crazy again, in the tradition of mort sahl who attacked nixon and JFK equally...
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:11:58 -0700
> From: privethedge at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] lacy and obama group think tactics
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com; lacyjp at wfu.edu
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com
> HI, Whoa......."...the vast majority of edebaters defended Bush......" Are you insane? There was exactly one person on edebate defending Bush back then, and that was me - and I was pilloried for it. And, I won't even defend Bush anymore (why I voted for Kerry in 2004) because the guy is the blithering moron everyone on this list told me he was - it just took me a bit to reach that conclusion....So, don't overstate the record - there wasn't a vast amount of anyone defending Bush.
> "You may be whatever you resolve to be." Thomas J. Jackson"
> "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if he had the power, would be in silencing mankind? If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by  its collision with error." John S. Mill
>  Who said Dr. Who isn't Funny: "Rose: You Didn't Have to Kill him! Dalek: "Neither did we need him to live."
> Dalek to Cyberman: :"You are Superior to us in one respect." Cyberman: "What is that?" Dalek: "Dying!"
> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, JP Lacy  wrote:
> From: JP Lacy 
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] lacy and obama group think tactics
> To: "Old Strega" 
> Cc: edebate at ndtceda.com
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 1:58 AM
> I guess I'm a "pragmatist."
> Even if abortion is the only difference, to me its one worth supporting
> Obama. (And...a good reason for Pro-Life people to support McCain.)
> Given no realistic alternative, I'd rather have a liberal orwellian than
> a socially conservative orwellian.
> What type of candidate could you support?
> Old Strega wrote:
>> i'm not voting for mccain.
>> i simply called for mccain campaign and other right wing advocates to
> introduce obama's birth certificate into the national discussion.   the
> blackout is hideous.
>> i'm not voting.   the presidential candidates are nearly identical
> except abortion.  the neoconservatives have captured both parties.  obama is
> republican lite supporting WAR in afghanistan, TAX CUTS for the middle class and
> RELIGION via faith based iniatives.
>> the democrats haven't truly won an election in 28 years given ross
> perot handed clinton his victory.    so the democrats decided to copy the three
> pillars of neoconservative philososphy with a half-black candidate and bring the
> anti-clinton social movements of the late 90's back into the fold of
> mainstream politics.
>> sorry but faith based iniatitives are a gross continuation of bush and
> FISA makes obama a joke.    if you "believe" in obama it doesn't
> matter how much he votes for bush surveillance or copies his neocon pillars,
> because obama = god and there's no need to question all of the similarities
> to bush.
>> that's some of what i mean by a "liberal version of the orwellian
> nightmare".   obama is an opportunist who knows the country is ready to
> switch parties but at the same time he's ready to capitalize on enhanced
> presidential powers of the previous administration, i.e. the vote for FISA.
>> 8 years ago, i predicted that George W. Bush would reach the lowest
> approval ratings in history beating Richard Nixon.    i was proven right over
> time even though the vast majority of edebaters defended bush and doubted bush
> would beat nixon for worst approval ratings.   i said W = WORST president ever.
> but i get no credit from amnesiacs who just want to run tournaments.    in the
> tradition of mort sahl, i will attack all presidential candidates.     obama is
> not the answer to bush.    the birth certificate, the FISA vote, and faith-based
> iniatitives are all signs that we are on the brink of an even more sinister,
> liberal version of the orwellian nightmare because moveon.org and the remnants
> of the anti-clintonistas have been absorbed into the mainstream of party
> politics.
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