[eDebate] [CEDA-L] Novice at CEDA Nationals 2009
Tue Oct 28 13:49:26 CDT 2008
I havent been as active in CEDA as I used to be (hahahaha - cue
Jackie)...But my memory is that things like this used to start as an
amendment at a Business Meeting and then were sent out as a vote to the
community (if they passed at the business meeting).
Certainly have no horse in thise race (cue Tuna)....but usually we at least
tried Democracy first in matters such as this...CEDA is an organization
grouped around a tournament..its procedures and practices regarding that
tournament should probably be vetted democratically.
Again, not meaning to step on any toes or accidentally agree with the
2008/10/28 Shawn T Whalen <swhalen at sfsu.edu>
> I'm not against the idea at all. I am against these decisions being made
> without the input of the full membership. I don't believe that the
> president has such authority, but even if he did it should not be used
> without sharing a complete proposal with the membership first and allowing
> time for feedback.
> As I said, I support this idea generally, but this edict poses significant
> changes that might be unpalatable to many. For example, will judge
> commitments be altered to ensure a pool of judges for the break outs? When
> will rounds be run (simultaneously with other elims etc)? How might that
> impact pre-round coaching for teams in the elims? What is the capacity of
> the facility hosting the elim rounds? How much will we spend on additional
> awards etc.? Are there competing alternatives that might recognize novice
> competitors but minimize the cost?
> These are all discussions that the membership has been a part of in the
> *"Sandoz, M L" <ML.Sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu>*
> 10/28/2008 09:28 AM
> "Shawn Whalen" <swhalen at sfsu.edu> cc
> "Darren Elliott" <delliott at kckcc.edu>, edebate at ndtceda.com,
> ceda-l at ndtceda.com Subject
> Re: [CEDA-L] Novice at CEDA Nationals 2009
> My memory is that the previous vote to which you are probably referring
> was to establish the support of a different category of debate -
> Non-policy. This required amending the resultion process and perhaps
> points calculations. I don't think this is the same.
> Sandoz, M L
> Director of Debate
> Vanderbilt University
> Email: mary.l.sandoz at Vanderbilt.Edu
> On Sun, October 26, 2008 7:03 pm, Shawn Whalen wrote:
> > I remember a day when the addition of an event at the national
> > tournament required a vote of the membership. My how things change.
> > Shawn
> > On Oct 25, 2008, at 8:39 PM, "Darren Elliott" <delliott at kckcc.edu>
> > wrote:
> >> Greetings friends!
> >> I am pleased to announce a new addition to CEDA Nationals beginning
> >> 2009, and something I hope will continue beyond my year as President.
> >> It strikes me as odd that part of our mission and purpose is to
> >> cultivate new debate programs, new debaters, and encourage and
> >> support Novice debate, yet as an organization we do not officially
> >> recognize Novice competition in its own right at the National
> >> Tournament. Many programs bring Novices to CEDA Nationals. For
> >> some programs, year to year, Novices may be the majority of their
> >> program. It seems like CEDA should make it a point to celebrate and
> >> reward Novice Debate by crowning a Champion among Novices at the
> >> CEDA National Tournament.
> >> It is with that in mind that CEDA Nationals 2009 will, for the first
> >> time, offer a Novice breakout bracket, culminating in the crowning
> >> of a CEDA recognized Champion among Novice Debate Teams. Once
> >> preliminary rounds are concluded, a separate bracket will be created
> >> among Novice eligible teams. Both debaters must be eligible based
> >> on CEDA's definition of Novice. I will work with Tab Room Director
> >> Gary Larson to determine the appropriate number of teams (hopefully
> >> at least Quarters) and when the best time to begin these rounds
> >> based on room availability and judges.
> >> I have engaged this conversation during tournaments throughout the
> >> country. Some Directors wanted a separate Novice division. Others
> >> liked the idea of a breakout bracket. No one I have talked to was
> >> in opposition of having some sort of Novice elim rounds. For a few
> >> programs they indicated it would be the only way they could justify
> >> coming to CEDA in years when they only had Novices. It seems
> >> important to me to recognize and reward those Novices who come to
> >> the National Tournament. This, in my opinion, is long overdue.
> >> Looking forward to Pocatello!
> >> Sincerely,
> >> chief
> >> Darren Elliott
> >> Director of Debate and Forensics--KCKCC
> >> CEDA President
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