[eDebate] Never ending War

Clay Webb webb767
Sat Apr 11 12:22:01 CDT 2009

Never ending wars huh! Let me begin with the second hit on google when you
search for ?number of wars?


*Ever since the end of the Cold War, the number of wars has been
declining.*Perhaps more importantly, the number of wars between
countries has declined
even more. There have only been four since 1991; Ethiopia versus Eritrea
(1998-2000), India versus Pakistan (low level, in Kashmir, since 1990), Iraq
versus Kuwait (1991), and Iraq versus Coalition (2003). There are 15-20 wars
going on right now. The uncertain count comes from the fact that there is a
fuzzy line separating wars from civil disorder. The good news is that's
about 40 percent fewer conflicts than were going on in 1991, when the Cold
War ended. All the conflicts going on now are civil wars of one kind or
another. The worst of the lot are in Africa (Sudan, Congo), with the number
three position being filled by Iraq. Afghanistan has been in a state of
civil war for over two decades. Some Afghan historians would insist that
there's never been a time when some group or another was not fighting inside
what we call Afghanistan. Even the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001 was not
an "invasion" by the United States, but rather U.S. forces joining in an
ongoing civil war between the Taliban (and their al Qaeda allies), against
the Northern Alliance. A few hundred American commandoes and other
specialists, a few dozen bombers, were all that was sent to the Northern
Alliance, and that was all that was needed to overthrow the increasingly
unpopular Taliban. *Why the decline in wars? *Part of it has to do with the
fact that so many of the wars of the past few decades were the rough edges
of decolonialization, and the after-effects of World War II (and World War
I, which led to the breakup of the Ottoman empire.) When empires fall apart,
they rarely do so quietly. The demise of the Russian empire in 1991 has led
to fighting in Chechnya, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia and a few other places
you hardly ever hear about. And then there was the competition between the
two superpowers. *The Soviet Union was, after all, technically dedicated to
world wide revolution and the triumph of communism. The United States was
opposed to that*. Both superpowers ended up supporting numerous rebel
organizations, or the governments that fought them. With the end of the Cold
War, all that stopped.  The end of the Cold War, and several decades of
economic and political experimentation by many countries, made it clear that
democracy, and market economies, were the road to prosperity. That meant the
rule of the people, and the law, began to replace tyrants and centrally
controlled economies. Rebels now had a more difficult time getting any
traction. *Most of the wars going on now are based on long time ethnic or
religious disputes*. The Islamic terrorists get a lot of attention, but they
are very small change compared to the threats encountered in the past
century. Islamic terrorists don't even have a country to base their
operations in, and are constantly on the run. But the Islamic terrorists are
part of many of the ethnic and religious conflicts that form the basis for
so many existing wars.

The article is a little rough admittedly, but I think the most important
point is pretty clear. Which begs an interesting question Jackie?What planet
do you live on? Seriously?

This article is just about the number of wars since the cold war. Nevermind
that the bloodiest conflict in history was fought before we had the bomb?and
then? abra kadabra?superpowers don?t want to fight each other anymore.
Realism is a failed ideology?!?!?!

Yeah I have got a better idea, lets all sit around and read Nietzsche all
day and see where that gets us. Perhaps we can structure the international
order around the ubermensch or we can sit around and think about our
feelings (ontology?etc.) all day?. I wonder where we would be
then?hmmm?.wait?that?s right?Nazi Germany. You like to scoff at the
old..wft..Heidegger was a Nazi argument?and yeah?its pretty crappy?but

What is more is that the only reason any of us get to participate in this
activity, fly all over the country, stay in nice hotels, etc. Is because we
live in the wealthiest country on earth?period. We generate the excess
wealth necessary. We pay the big bad government taxes, and they give it to
the university that employs you Massey. Yes, other countries have debate. It
is not like NDT/CEDA debate. Nobody does it like we do it?and its because
of?.aircraft carriers, capitalism, and the pharmaceutical companies.
makes it possible baby!!! You call it exceptionalism?.I call it?reality.
There is not a better place to live, and there is no where any of us would
rather be. If you do want to leave?you can?because?wait?that right?you are
free to.

Perhaps I have been brainwashed. Maybe debate has twisted my mind in ways I
can?t understand, and I will probably never recover. Andy Casey once told me
I was an automaton?some sort of robot that worships the bomb?true. Despite
this, I am confident that most signs point to, and the preponderance of peer
reviewed work in almost every field would suggest, things aren?t that bad.
(peer reviewed as in?no?not Ward Churchill). This is not the Soviet Union.
Yes recession, yes Iraq, yes poverty, yes hunger?..there are plenty of
problems to concern ourselves with. All the more reason to?I dunno?talk
about them.

?Re arm ourselves? ?No more realism?? ?new files? ? but then where would you
be Jackie. I mean, if no one researches the topic, where are you going to
get your link. What would you do without people like me.  Jackie, we live in
a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns.
Who's gonna do it? You? Russell? The automatons of this community have a
greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You wine about our
ontology and your curse our ethics; you have that luxury. You have the
luxury of not knowing what we know: that nuclear weapons, while awesome,
also probably saves lives and that their existence, while grotesque and
incomprehensible to you, save lives. You need people like me Jackie. You
don't want to talk about the topic because deep down in places you don't
talk about at cocktail parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that
wall. We use cards from Mearsheimer, Mead, and Khalilzad. We use them as the
backbone of a life trying to defend something. The damned resolution. To you
its little more than a punch line. I have neither the time nor the
inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the
blanket of the very freedom God provides (his capitalism) and then questions
the manner in which he provides it. I would rather you just said "thank you"
and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you just ...well...read the same
argument again next year. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think we

Oh?and you have the UQ?.You?have the UQ?.that?s cute. Look Jackie I don?t
blame you for having no Idea where the UQ is. You lost the UQ a long time
ago my friend. You just didn?t notice because while you and the other
hippies were busy playing with your ontologies?me and the other neocons
stole it out from under your nose. This world isn?t changing Jackie. And if
those walls come down we are bringing the rest of you down with them. The
oceans will boil, the mountains will tremble, and the masses will live in
fear. We will nuke the land, pave it, and put a giant American flag above
the shopping mall. That?s the world we live in. That?s the world you live in
Jackie. Ignore it if you want?it will just make it that much easier.


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