[eDebate] Black Debate History

Josh jbhdb8
Thu Apr 2 20:29:12 CDT 2009


Ummmm let us not forget Emory had the team of Bailey and Ghali in NDT finals
twice,

Josh

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Kuswa, Kevin <kkuswa at richmond.edu> wrote:

> Adam,
>
> yes, clemmons key.
>
> also, had the privilege of working with Andre Hylton and Will Griffin at
> Dartmouth.  They were a VERY strong team on the south asia topic, often
> overshadowed by dartmouth's top team of sklaver and lovitt because they were
> historically sick (came back their senior years after winning ndt to not
> drop a ballot at kentucky).
>
> Anyway, Will and Andre were solid--maybe 12th first round or so.  Will may
> have single-handedly re-invigorated the "case press" into the case pimp.  do
> with that what you may.  they ran a "clean up the ganges river" aff.
>
> For your purposes (it seems by your questions), they reached the quarters
> of the ndt---I believe losing to wake (fledderman and grant).  They did not
> deploy white face (totally awesome btw) and instead opted for a russia DA.
>
> still, though, Clemmons and Palo-Coburn key.
>
> looking forward to talking some more stuff with you in the future.
>
> kevin
>
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:24 PM
> To: sjsnider at ksu.edu; baltimoredebate at gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
>
> Steve Clemmons and NCP, Weber State NDT 1995 (maybe 1996 - first year of
> the merger) 4-4, 14 ballots. FIRST team to really push race and ethnicity
> issues in college debate.  With Bear at the helm and the legendary Bill
> Shanahan as the field coach and ADOF, they made alot of teams cringe with
> Space Traders. DD could tell you more, but old Steve was quite a debater
> back in the day.
>
> Actually you can't talk about the his-her story of Black participation in
> college debate (esp. out west), without talking about Steve...in the words
> of HST...he was the trouble we were always looing for :).
>
> OG
>
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> > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:19:13 -0500
> > From: sjsnider at ksu.edu
> > To: baltimoredebate at gmail.com
> > CC: edebate at www.ndtceda.com
> > Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
> >
> > While I agree with you Adam, that there is a lack of knowledge about
> > Black History in debate, there are quite a few influential and
> > interesting characters who do not meet your litmus test of being "top
> > speaker" or "winning the NDT or CEDA".
> >
> > Hotep X debated for Brown University in the 1970's. Hotep X wasn't his
> > real name, but he used that name to mystify his white opponents by
> > pretending to be a black muslim in the early 70's. Word on the street
> > is that it really made some people afraid of him. He was in
> > semi-finals at the NDT although he was not a member of an "all black"
> > team.
> >
> > My knowledge goes dead for a little while, there is a big gap in what
> > I know. I might be mistaken, but I think Cleopatra Jones from the
> > University of Vermont was the first black woman to earn a top 10
> > speaker award at CEDA Nats.
> >
> > Shanara Reid, who never debated with a black partner, or even had the
> > opportunity to qualify for the NDT was incredibly influential in the
> > history of black debate in the late 90's and continues today. She was
> > the first black woman to debate on the last day of CEDA Nationals.
> >
> > While these accomplishments are all great, one thing Shanara and Cleo
> > both reminded me of, was that they didn't want to be the "best black
> > women" in debate, they would settle for just being remembered as great
> > debaters regardless..........
> >
> > There are particularly a lot of black women in debate who get lost in
> > the shuffle as they never represented top speaker, or a championship
> > team but in their own way definitely influenced debate. It is perhaps
> > these stories that you might find the most interesting.
> >
> > I hope you find what you are looking for.
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > 2009/4/2 Adam Jackson <baltimoredebate at gmail.com>:
> > > You know what debate community? I need some info.
> > > For the past three years of my participation in college debate, I have
> come
> > > to realize something.
> > > I know very little about Black History in debate (outside of people
> randomly
> > > talking to each other about it, or mere myths that are perpetuated over
> > > time)
> > > So I want you all to help me out with some names and programs of some
> folks
> > > who have won the awards listed at the bottom. Please correct me if I'm
> > > wrong.
> > > Black Top Speakers at CEDA:
> > > Elizabeth Jones, UofL, 2004
> > > Dayvon Love, Towson, 2009
> > > Black Top Speakers at the NDT:
> > > ???
> > > First Black Person to Win CEDA:
> > > Rashad Evans with Sarah Holbrook, West Georgia, (dont know year)
> > > All Black Team Champions at CEDA:
> > > Dayvon Love and Deven Cooper, Towson, 2008
> > >
> > > Black Champions at the NDT:
> > > ???
> > > First All Black Team to Qualify for NDT:
> > > ???
> > > First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at CEDA:
> > > ???
> > > First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at NDT:
> > > ???
> > > Also, it would be useful if someone knows the first black top speakers
> and
> > > teams at these tournaments as well (since they're so prestigious):
> > > West Georgia
> > > Harvard
> > > Wake Forest
> > > "Northwestern"
> > > Cal Swings
> > > West Georgia
> > > JV/Novice Nats
> > > Kentucky
> > >
> > > Thank you and any info is much appreciated.
> > > --
> > > Adam J. Jackson
> > > Towson Debate...All Day
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