[eDebate] Black Debate History

Douglas Dennis blackdebateguy
Fri Apr 3 12:24:35 CDT 2009

What about Hotep X?


On 4/2/09 2:42 PM, "Kuswa, Kevin" <kkuswa at richmond.edu> wrote:

> Adam,
> yes, clemmons key.
> also, had the privilege of working with Andre Hylton and Will Griffin at
> Dartmouth.  They were a VERY strong team on the south asia topic, often
> overshadowed by dartmouth's top team of sklaver and lovitt because they were
> historically sick (came back their senior years after winning ndt to not drop
> a ballot at kentucky).
> Anyway, Will and Andre were solid--maybe 12th first round or so.  Will may
> have single-handedly re-invigorated the "case press" into the case pimp.  do
> with that what you may.  they ran a "clean up the ganges river" aff.
> For your purposes (it seems by your questions), they reached the quarters of
> the ndt---I believe losing to wake (fledderman and grant).  They did not
> deploy white face (totally awesome btw) and instead opted for a russia DA.
> still, though, Clemmons and Palo-Coburn key.
> looking forward to talking some more stuff with you in the future.
> kevin
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> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
> Steve Clemmons and NCP, Weber State NDT 1995 (maybe 1996 - first year of the
> merger) 4-4, 14 ballots. FIRST team to really push race and ethnicity issues
> in college debate.  With Bear at the helm and the legendary Bill Shanahan as
> the field coach and ADOF, they made alot of teams cringe with Space Traders.
> DD could tell you more, but old Steve was quite a debater back in the day.
> Actually you can't talk about the his-her story of Black participation in
> college debate (esp. out west), without talking about Steve...in the words of
> HST...he was the trouble we were always looing for :).
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>> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:19:13 -0500
>> From: sjsnider at ksu.edu
>> To: baltimoredebate at gmail.com
>> CC: edebate at www.ndtceda.com
>> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
>> While I agree with you Adam, that there is a lack of knowledge about
>> Black History in debate, there are quite a few influential and
>> interesting characters who do not meet your litmus test of being "top
>> speaker" or "winning the NDT or CEDA".
>> Hotep X debated for Brown University in the 1970's. Hotep X wasn't his
>> real name, but he used that name to mystify his white opponents by
>> pretending to be a black muslim in the early 70's. Word on the street
>> is that it really made some people afraid of him. He was in
>> semi-finals at the NDT although he was not a member of an "all black"
>> team.
>> My knowledge goes dead for a little while, there is a big gap in what
>> I know. I might be mistaken, but I think Cleopatra Jones from the
>> University of Vermont was the first black woman to earn a top 10
>> speaker award at CEDA Nats.
>> Shanara Reid, who never debated with a black partner, or even had the
>> opportunity to qualify for the NDT was incredibly influential in the
>> history of black debate in the late 90's and continues today. She was
>> the first black woman to debate on the last day of CEDA Nationals.
>> While these accomplishments are all great, one thing Shanara and Cleo
>> both reminded me of, was that they didn't want to be the "best black
>> women" in debate, they would settle for just being remembered as great
>> debaters regardless..........
>> There are particularly a lot of black women in debate who get lost in
>> the shuffle as they never represented top speaker, or a championship
>> team but in their own way definitely influenced debate. It is perhaps
>> these stories that you might find the most interesting.
>> I hope you find what you are looking for.
>> Sarah
>> 2009/4/2 Adam Jackson <baltimoredebate at gmail.com>:
>>> You know what debate community? I need some info.
>>> For the past three years of my participation in college debate, I have come
>>> to realize something.
>>> I know very little about Black History in debate (outside of people randomly
>>> talking to each other about it, or mere myths that are perpetuated over
>>> time)
>>> So I want you all to help me out with some names and programs of some folks
>>> who have won the awards listed at the bottom. Please correct me if I'm
>>> wrong.
>>> Black Top Speakers at CEDA:
>>> Elizabeth Jones, UofL, 2004
>>> Dayvon Love, Towson, 2009
>>> Black Top Speakers at the NDT:
>>> ???
>>> First Black Person to Win CEDA:
>>> Rashad Evans with Sarah Holbrook, West Georgia, (dont know year)
>>> All Black Team Champions at CEDA:
>>> Dayvon Love and Deven Cooper, Towson, 2008
>>> Black Champions at the NDT:
>>> ???
>>> First All Black Team to Qualify for NDT:
>>> ???
>>> First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at CEDA:
>>> ???
>>> First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at NDT:
>>> ???
>>> Also, it would be useful if someone knows the first black top speakers and
>>> teams at these tournaments as well (since they're so prestigious):
>>> West Georgia
>>> Harvard
>>> Wake Forest
>>> "Northwestern"
>>> Cal Swings
>>> West Georgia
>>> JV/Novice Nats
>>> Kentucky
>>> Thank you and any info is much appreciated.
>>> --
>>> Adam J. Jackson
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