[eDebate] Black Debate History

Josh jbhdb8
Fri Apr 3 14:52:47 CDT 2009


Sarah started with Hotep,

Josh

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Douglas Dennis
<blackdebateguy at hotmail.com>wrote:

> What about Hotep X?
>
> DD
>
>
> On 4/2/09 2:42 PM, "Kuswa, Kevin" <kkuswa at richmond.edu> wrote:
>
> > Adam,
> >
> > yes, clemmons key.
> >
> > also, had the privilege of working with Andre Hylton and Will Griffin at
> > Dartmouth.  They were a VERY strong team on the south asia topic, often
> > overshadowed by dartmouth's top team of sklaver and lovitt because they
> were
> > historically sick (came back their senior years after winning ndt to not
> drop
> > a ballot at kentucky).
> >
> > Anyway, Will and Andre were solid--maybe 12th first round or so.  Will
> may
> > have single-handedly re-invigorated the "case press" into the case pimp.
>  do
> > with that what you may.  they ran a "clean up the ganges river" aff.
> >
> > For your purposes (it seems by your questions), they reached the quarters
> of
> > the ndt---I believe losing to wake (fledderman and grant).  They did not
> > deploy white face (totally awesome btw) and instead opted for a russia
> DA.
> >
> > still, though, Clemmons and Palo-Coburn key.
> >
> > looking forward to talking some more stuff with you in the future.
> >
> > kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: edebate-bounces at ndtceda.com [edebate-bounces at ndtceda.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > omar guevara [oguevara at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:24 PM
> > To: sjsnider at ksu.edu; baltimoredebate at gmail.com
> > Cc: edebate at ndtceda.com
> > Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
> >
> > Steve Clemmons and NCP, Weber State NDT 1995 (maybe 1996 - first year of
> the
> > merger) 4-4, 14 ballots. FIRST team to really push race and ethnicity
> issues
> > in college debate.  With Bear at the helm and the legendary Bill Shanahan
> as
> > the field coach and ADOF, they made alot of teams cringe with Space
> Traders.
> > DD could tell you more, but old Steve was quite a debater back in the
> day.
> >
> > Actually you can't talk about the his-her story of Black participation in
> > college debate (esp. out west), without talking about Steve...in the
> words of
> > HST...he was the trouble we were always looing for :).
> >
> > OG
> >
> >
> > Omar G Guevara II
> > Director of Forensics
> > Department of Communication
> > College of Arts & Humanities
> > Weber State University
> > Ogden, Utah
> >
> > 801.626.6220 (Office)
> > 801.668.6910 (Cell)
> >
> > Oguevara at hotmail.com<mailto:Oguevara at hotmail.com>
> > Oguevara at weber.edu<mailto:Oguevara at weber.edu>
> >
> >
> > PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM <http://www.weberdebate.com/><
> http://www.weberdebate.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:19:13 -0500
> >> From: sjsnider at ksu.edu
> >> To: baltimoredebate at gmail.com
> >> CC: edebate at www.ndtceda.com
> >> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
> >>
> >> While I agree with you Adam, that there is a lack of knowledge about
> >> Black History in debate, there are quite a few influential and
> >> interesting characters who do not meet your litmus test of being "top
> >> speaker" or "winning the NDT or CEDA".
> >>
> >> Hotep X debated for Brown University in the 1970's. Hotep X wasn't his
> >> real name, but he used that name to mystify his white opponents by
> >> pretending to be a black muslim in the early 70's. Word on the street
> >> is that it really made some people afraid of him. He was in
> >> semi-finals at the NDT although he was not a member of an "all black"
> >> team.
> >>
> >> My knowledge goes dead for a little while, there is a big gap in what
> >> I know. I might be mistaken, but I think Cleopatra Jones from the
> >> University of Vermont was the first black woman to earn a top 10
> >> speaker award at CEDA Nats.
> >>
> >> Shanara Reid, who never debated with a black partner, or even had the
> >> opportunity to qualify for the NDT was incredibly influential in the
> >> history of black debate in the late 90's and continues today. She was
> >> the first black woman to debate on the last day of CEDA Nationals.
> >>
> >> While these accomplishments are all great, one thing Shanara and Cleo
> >> both reminded me of, was that they didn't want to be the "best black
> >> women" in debate, they would settle for just being remembered as great
> >> debaters regardless..........
> >>
> >> There are particularly a lot of black women in debate who get lost in
> >> the shuffle as they never represented top speaker, or a championship
> >> team but in their own way definitely influenced debate. It is perhaps
> >> these stories that you might find the most interesting.
> >>
> >> I hope you find what you are looking for.
> >>
> >> Sarah
> >>
> >> 2009/4/2 Adam Jackson <baltimoredebate at gmail.com>:
> >>> You know what debate community? I need some info.
> >>> For the past three years of my participation in college debate, I have
> come
> >>> to realize something.
> >>> I know very little about Black History in debate (outside of people
> randomly
> >>> talking to each other about it, or mere myths that are perpetuated over
> >>> time)
> >>> So I want you all to help me out with some names and programs of some
> folks
> >>> who have won the awards listed at the bottom. Please correct me if I'm
> >>> wrong.
> >>> Black Top Speakers at CEDA:
> >>> Elizabeth Jones, UofL, 2004
> >>> Dayvon Love, Towson, 2009
> >>> Black Top Speakers at the NDT:
> >>> ???
> >>> First Black Person to Win CEDA:
> >>> Rashad Evans with Sarah Holbrook, West Georgia, (dont know year)
> >>> All Black Team Champions at CEDA:
> >>> Dayvon Love and Deven Cooper, Towson, 2008
> >>>
> >>> Black Champions at the NDT:
> >>> ???
> >>> First All Black Team to Qualify for NDT:
> >>> ???
> >>> First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at CEDA:
> >>> ???
> >>> First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at NDT:
> >>> ???
> >>> Also, it would be useful if someone knows the first black top speakers
> and
> >>> teams at these tournaments as well (since they're so prestigious):
> >>> West Georgia
> >>> Harvard
> >>> Wake Forest
> >>> "Northwestern"
> >>> Cal Swings
> >>> West Georgia
> >>> JV/Novice Nats
> >>> Kentucky
> >>>
> >>> Thank you and any info is much appreciated.
> >>> --
> >>> Adam J. Jackson
> >>> Towson Debate...All Day
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