[eDebate] Black Debate History

Josh jbhdb8
Fri Apr 3 17:19:01 CDT 2009


KU had a really great fella in the 80s - havent seen him since then....I
think his name was Ofray Hall or something similar but he was good and super
nice....someone hopefully can fill that in,

josh

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Jim Hanson <hansonjb at whitman.edu> wrote:

>  othal lakey from whitman.
>
> he is now a christian methodist bishop.
>
> he was definitely a successful debater and he either qualified for the ndt
> or was one our top two teams in 1957 when whitman qualified to the ndt.
>
> jim :)
> hansonjb at whitman.edu
>
>  *From:* Josh <jbhdb8 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2009 12:52 PM
> *To:* Douglas Dennis <blackdebateguy at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* edebate at ndtceda.com ; Kuswa,Kevin <kkuswa at richmond.edu> ;
> baltimoredebate at gmail.com ; sjsnider at ksu.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
>
> Sarah started with Hotep,
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Douglas Dennis <blackdebateguy at hotmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> What about Hotep X?
>>
>> DD
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/09 2:42 PM, "Kuswa, Kevin" <kkuswa at richmond.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Adam,
>> >
>> > yes, clemmons key.
>> >
>> > also, had the privilege of working with Andre Hylton and Will Griffin at
>> > Dartmouth.  They were a VERY strong team on the south asia topic, often
>> > overshadowed by dartmouth's top team of sklaver and lovitt because they
>> were
>> > historically sick (came back their senior years after winning ndt to not
>> drop
>> > a ballot at kentucky).
>> >
>> > Anyway, Will and Andre were solid--maybe 12th first round or so.  Will
>> may
>> > have single-handedly re-invigorated the "case press" into the case pimp.
>>  do
>> > with that what you may.  they ran a "clean up the ganges river" aff.
>> >
>> > For your purposes (it seems by your questions), they reached the
>> quarters of
>> > the ndt---I believe losing to wake (fledderman and grant).  They did not
>> > deploy white face (totally awesome btw) and instead opted for a russia
>> DA.
>> >
>> > still, though, Clemmons and Palo-Coburn key.
>> >
>> > looking forward to talking some more stuff with you in the future.
>> >
>> > kevin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: edebate-bounces at ndtceda.com [edebate-bounces at ndtceda.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> > omar guevara [oguevara at hotmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:24 PM
>> > To: sjsnider at ksu.edu; baltimoredebate at gmail.com
>> > Cc: edebate at ndtceda.com
>> > Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
>> >
>> > Steve Clemmons and NCP, Weber State NDT 1995 (maybe 1996 - first year of
>> the
>> > merger) 4-4, 14 ballots. FIRST team to really push race and ethnicity
>> issues
>> > in college debate.  With Bear at the helm and the legendary Bill
>> Shanahan as
>> > the field coach and ADOF, they made alot of teams cringe with Space
>> Traders.
>> > DD could tell you more, but old Steve was quite a debater back in the
>> day.
>> >
>> > Actually you can't talk about the his-her story of Black participation
>> in
>> > college debate (esp. out west), without talking about Steve...in the
>> words of
>> > HST...he was the trouble we were always looing for :).
>> >
>> > OG
>> >
>> >
>> > Omar G Guevara II
>> > Director of Forensics
>> > Department of Communication
>> > College of Arts & Humanities
>> > Weber State University
>> > Ogden, Utah
>> >
>> > 801.626.6220 (Office)
>> > 801.668.6910 (Cell)
>> >
>> > Oguevara at hotmail.com<mailto:Oguevara at hotmail.com>
>> > Oguevara at weber.edu<mailto:Oguevara at weber.edu>
>> >
>> >
>> > PLEASE VISIT: WWW.WEBERDEBATE.COM <http://www.weberdebate.com/><
>> http://www.weberdebate.com/>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:19:13 -0500
>> >> From: sjsnider at ksu.edu
>> >> To: baltimoredebate at gmail.com
>> >> CC: edebate at www.ndtceda.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [eDebate] Black Debate History
>> >>
>> >> While I agree with you Adam, that there is a lack of knowledge about
>> >> Black History in debate, there are quite a few influential and
>> >> interesting characters who do not meet your litmus test of being "top
>> >> speaker" or "winning the NDT or CEDA".
>> >>
>> >> Hotep X debated for Brown University in the 1970's. Hotep X wasn't his
>> >> real name, but he used that name to mystify his white opponents by
>> >> pretending to be a black muslim in the early 70's. Word on the street
>> >> is that it really made some people afraid of him. He was in
>> >> semi-finals at the NDT although he was not a member of an "all black"
>> >> team.
>> >>
>> >> My knowledge goes dead for a little while, there is a big gap in what
>> >> I know. I might be mistaken, but I think Cleopatra Jones from the
>> >> University of Vermont was the first black woman to earn a top 10
>> >> speaker award at CEDA Nats.
>> >>
>> >> Shanara Reid, who never debated with a black partner, or even had the
>> >> opportunity to qualify for the NDT was incredibly influential in the
>> >> history of black debate in the late 90's and continues today. She was
>> >> the first black woman to debate on the last day of CEDA Nationals.
>> >>
>> >> While these accomplishments are all great, one thing Shanara and Cleo
>> >> both reminded me of, was that they didn't want to be the "best black
>> >> women" in debate, they would settle for just being remembered as great
>> >> debaters regardless..........
>> >>
>> >> There are particularly a lot of black women in debate who get lost in
>> >> the shuffle as they never represented top speaker, or a championship
>> >> team but in their own way definitely influenced debate. It is perhaps
>> >> these stories that you might find the most interesting.
>> >>
>> >> I hope you find what you are looking for.
>> >>
>> >> Sarah
>> >>
>> >> 2009/4/2 Adam Jackson <baltimoredebate at gmail.com>:
>> >>> You know what debate community? I need some info.
>> >>> For the past three years of my participation in college debate, I have
>> come
>> >>> to realize something.
>> >>> I know very little about Black History in debate (outside of people
>> randomly
>> >>> talking to each other about it, or mere myths that are perpetuated
>> over
>> >>> time)
>> >>> So I want you all to help me out with some names and programs of some
>> folks
>> >>> who have won the awards listed at the bottom. Please correct me if I'm
>> >>> wrong.
>> >>> Black Top Speakers at CEDA:
>> >>> Elizabeth Jones, UofL, 2004
>> >>> Dayvon Love, Towson, 2009
>> >>> Black Top Speakers at the NDT:
>> >>> ???
>> >>> First Black Person to Win CEDA:
>> >>> Rashad Evans with Sarah Holbrook, West Georgia, (dont know year)
>> >>> All Black Team Champions at CEDA:
>> >>> Dayvon Love and Deven Cooper, Towson, 2008
>> >>>
>> >>> Black Champions at the NDT:
>> >>> ???
>> >>> First All Black Team to Qualify for NDT:
>> >>> ???
>> >>> First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at CEDA:
>> >>> ???
>> >>> First Black Team to Qualify for Elimination Rounds at NDT:
>> >>> ???
>> >>> Also, it would be useful if someone knows the first black top speakers
>> and
>> >>> teams at these tournaments as well (since they're so prestigious):
>> >>> West Georgia
>> >>> Harvard
>> >>> Wake Forest
>> >>> "Northwestern"
>> >>> Cal Swings
>> >>> West Georgia
>> >>> JV/Novice Nats
>> >>> Kentucky
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you and any info is much appreciated.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Adam J. Jackson
>> >>> Towson Debate...All Day
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