[eDebate] [CEDA-L] repost: Final round video-need ec feedback

scottelliott at grandecom.net scottelliott
Sun Apr 5 20:04:09 CDT 2009

Look, as usual, I will lay it out in all of its ugliness:

I like Andy and Darren is, I now admit, my illegitimate son:

Debate, especially, the CEDA NAtional Championship final round is a PUBLIC
debate. Let the the damn tape be posted on the the net. If you are so ashamed
of this activity, or what the hell you are doing during this activity's climax,
get the hell out. Otherwise, let people post the good, the bad and the ugly.


Quoting Darren Elliott <delliott at kckcc.edu>:

> Andy,
> You are correct that the CEDA leadership asked you to tape the Final Round,
> and we asked if you would be so kind to provide us with a copy of that round.
>  I know Gordon was coordinating this with you, and given my lack of voice
> that evening I nodded a lot in agreement.  : )  Two days ago I received a few
> inquiries in our intent to post given the concern of some who might show up
> in the video.  Before you posted to edebate the first time, I emailed the
> tournament committee/Big 5 officers based on the emails I had received.  That
> includes the 1st VP (Gordon), 2nd VP (Sue), Exec Secretary (Jeff), Treasurer
> (ML), and incoming 2nd VP (Mike).  I am waiting on feedback from these
> officers.  I am also sitting in a Wyoming hotel waiting for I80 to open so we
> can hopefully finish our drive to Oregon for Community College Debate
> Nationals which begins tomorrow evening.  Soon as it opens I have a 17 hour
> drive.  Please forgive if a response is not immediate in the next couple
> days.  I kn
>  ow we are all busy, some of us still have a season going on, but I can
> assure you we are giving this our attention.  Thank you for taping the round.
>  When all is said and done I know we will all benefit from the educational
> ability to use these videos.  Please stay tuned.
> thanks,
> chief
> Darren Elliott
> Director of Debate and Forensics--KCKCC
> CEDA President
> >>> Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com> 04/05/09 7:57 AM >>>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:28 AM
> Subject: Final round video
> To: "CEDA-L at ndtceda.com" <CEDA-L at ndtceda.com>
> hello ceda....this may be a question specifically for the ec, but it has
> some aspects that i think are relevant to everybody.
> We went to ceda with two cameras and had every intention of following the
> video taping policy, I at least learned an important lesson last year. As we
> where setting up our cameras to tape the final round(for our own private
> educational use, large portions of the towson team where not there and hey
> who doesnt wnt a video of a team they work with in the final round of
> nationals)ceda ec members approached us and asked if we could shooot the
> offical tape because the arrnagements as i remember for them to tape it had
> fallen through. This went to the extent of agreeing that if we could stream
> it we should as gordon announced before the round started....paraphrasing
> now i said "uh you sure you wnt adam and i to tape and post a video from
> ceda, that seems to be exactly what the policy prempts(i was less funny then
> but still made the point)...yes...was the answer i got...so i toook the
> tapes and have been working on converting them as an act of community
> service....that brings us to now...at least two people have asked that they
> not be included in any video, and have reminded me about the policy that the
> round opperated under....im sorta stuck ive been willing to do the work that
> i have done so far in converting and editing the video but i dont want to
> post it if people are opting out...even with ec sanction...nor do i want to
> be responsible in that scenario for developing the "private educational
> purposes" system that will allow the people we want to see it to see it but
> not everybody else...? how to go fwd? thanks
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