[eDebate] Webb. # of wars

Michael Tahmoressi bobdoleable
Sun Apr 12 04:49:08 CDT 2009


i entirely agree read the truth please.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Blake Johnson <blakejohnson at urbandebate.org
> wrote:

> Wow.  I'm unsure how much of this was written with your tongue in your
> cheek (or Ozzy's) but it ranks among the most disrespectful, impudent, and,
> for all of that, ignorant posts I've ever regretted opening.  I'll try to
> separate what looks like argument from what sounds like a drunk frat boy
> mangling the recital of a monologue from a movie/play meant to criticize
> just those assumptions he's making (i.e. that war is only/primarily
> something that militaries do to *each other*) while speaking down to a
> professor who unwittingly provoked his insecure wrath.
>
> Your entire argument rests on a lazy reading of the "quick and dirty guide
> to war," written by "strategypage" -- by its own admission, an unqualified
> weblog mouthpiece for defense interests, complete with a military jokes<http://www.strategypage.com/humor/default.asp>section -- nearly four years ago, when there were apparently only
> *"15-20"* wars going on (seriously, what high school debater cannot name
> more than 20 ongoing violent conflicts?).  A few reasons this is absurd:
>  First, its reading of world affairs is entirely underwritten by the sort of
> assumptions massey is calling into question -- most obviously, the realist
> presumption that wars only happen between sovereign states.  And so
> startegypage says: "Even the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001 was not an
> 'invasion' by the United States, but rather U.S. forces joining in an
> ongoing civil war between the Taliban (and their al Qaeda allies), against
> the Northern Alliance."
>
> Secondly, it was dishonest even when it was historically relevant.  Your
> blog sums up the Afghan war awfully concisely, "A few hundred American
> commandoes and other specialists, a few dozen bombers, [*sic*] were all
> that was sent to the Northern Alliance, and that was all that was needed to
> overthrow the increasingly unpopular Taliban." Hmmm...  Is this still the
> conventional wisdom?
>
> Had you looked a couple of google hits lower, you would have found
> http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5465.  Here, a slightly more objective,
> slightly more qualified, and slightly more recent reading of world affairs
> notes that "the number of wars and armed conflicts worldwide remained almost
> unchanged from previous years at *43*"  So much for the presumption that
> policy debate enhances research skills...
>
> The most lollable part of your post must be:
>
> "Yeah I have got a better idea, lets all sit around and read Nietzsche all
> day and see where that gets us. Perhaps we can structure the international
> order around the ubermensch or we can sit around and think about our
> feelings (ontology?etc.) all day?. I wonder where we would be
> then?hmmm?.wait?that?s right?Nazi Germany."
>
> I won't even start on how juvenile, historically oblivious, and just plain
> stupid this comment is.  Suffice it to say that if you think Hitler
> understood or even really read Nietzsche, or that ontology has anything to
> do with your "feelings," you should consult some "books."  Here's a good
> start: Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler,<http://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Adolf-Hitler/dp/0395925037/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239497888&sr=8-1> On
> Nietzsche by Georges Bataille<http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=bataille+nietzsche&x=0&y=0>,
> Webster's Dictionary by people who understand what words mean.<http://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Websters-Collegiate-Dictionary-Binding-Jacket/dp/0877798087/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239498093&sr=1-1>
>
> Also, how's this for UQ?  The man you are talking to like a child has --
> utilizing the very same methods you are your ilk are so cavalier to dismiss
> -- coached two CEDA Nationals Champions in the last three years.  Chu got?
>
> b
>
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> Bay Area Urban Debate League
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>
>
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