[eDebate] malgor is always hungry

Josh jbhdb8
Wed Apr 15 14:07:02 CDT 2009

Let me try this a different way:

You seem to think I am trying to protect my own privledge by trying to
sustain capitalism in the face of hunger arguments.

You have it backwards.

I am saying for the sake of the poor we need high yield agriculture, a
better system of emergency grain, better protection against
market-speculators, and more investment in local agriculture by local

I am saying the absolute worst thing you could do, for the hungry, would be
to try to go back to some romantic mystical native system of production.

The evidence is overwhelmingly on my side and is comparative in terms of
high yield vs organic or whatever it is you support.  Nothing in history has
created more available food then the green revolution.

Even Murray Bookchin, of all people, said the only thing that could be worst
than mass production was a return to nativism in terms of reducing conflict
and poverty,


On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:23 PM, malcolm gordon <
malgorthewarrior at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Josh-
> I disagree that indigenous people can?t use their own cultural techniques
> to feed themselves.  In fact, it?s one of the dumbest things I?ve heard in
> a while (granted you haven?t been posting as much lately OH SNAP).  But I
> think you were saying that indigenous techniques alone couldn?t feed
> everyone in the world to a level you feel is adequate. This may be true.  Of
> course, in a world of capitalist markets and industrial ag (which has
> definitely been very good for both our bellies, being portly fellows) we
> have a few things:
> ?  Every year 15 million children die of hunger
> ?  For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could
> eat lunch every day for 5 years
> ?  Throughout the 1990's more than 100 million children will die from
> illness and starvation. Those 100 million deaths could be prevented for the
> price of ten Stealth bombers, or what the world spends on its military in
> two days!
> ?  The World Health Organization estimates that one-third of the world is
> well-fed, one-third is under-fed one-third is starving- Since you've entered
> this site at least 200 people have died of starvation. Over 4 million will
> die this year.
>  I will say it?s obvious you are frustrated with Ks.  You especially
> seemed offended by the audacity of people to think that maybe the world
> we?ve created is somewhat destructive.  Just remember it?s easy to think
> that you have all the solutions when you are always less than 5 miles from
> the nearest McDonald?s.  At the end of the night, when an underpaid
> employee (likely a young woman or minority) lugs 10 bags of trash out to the
> dumpster (cause it?s more economical to throw something away than give it
> away) behind the McDonald?s?.how many people could that feed?
> malgor
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