[eDebate] Graduation Amendment with a Caveat

Paul Johnson paulj567
Thu Apr 30 18:25:30 CDT 2009

You get 5 years. If two of those years are when you're in an MA program cause you were a baller (and/or needed to save money by graduating early) I have no problem with that. Seems like one thing that gets overlooked when talking about the "take an extra year" phenomenon is how is disparately impacts students on the basis of socioeconomic background. Lots of people feel pressure to finish their undergrad degree in under 4 years, but oftentimes pursuing an MA is a way to be in school without paying for it (because of assistanships etc). This would allow for some of the disparity to be remedied. 


--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Michael Souders <micksouders at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Michael Souders <micksouders at gmail.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] Graduation Amendment with a Caveat
> To: "edebate" <edebate at www.ndtceda.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 10:26 AM
> Phil is obviously right about this.  The current structure
> punishes those
> who perform well academically and create a disincentive for
> graduation  And,
> of course, "graduate school" should be
> interpreted to also include any
> professional schools (medical school, law school, business
> school) or
> accredited certificate programs (women's or gender
> studies certificates, for
> example) that are not necessarily attached to the
> university graduate
> school.
> However, I do think some of the wording might need
> changing.  The current
> wording would seem to allow graduate students to begin
> debating in graduate
> school and functionally debate for five years, unless I am
> mistaken--or,
> more commonly, to graduate after three years (having
> attended only two CEDA
> Nationals) and then compete for two more years in graduate
> school.  I tend
> to think that graduate students should be limited to one
> year of additional
> competition after receiving an undergraduate degree.  No
> one wants fifth
> year Ph.D students competing against 18 year old
> undergraduates.  And
> perhaps more realistically, debate should not be competing
> with students's
> abilities to work on MA theses, L2 studies, etc.  We all
> know debate can be
> all-consuming, let's not make a system that gets our
> students more
> undergraduate degrees (a good thing) but torpedoes their
> graduate work (a
> bad thing).
> Students need to make choices for themselves, but we
> shouldn't incentivize
> them not working on their thesis or graduate course work.
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