[eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court

Josh jbhdb8
Mon Aug 3 00:23:19 CDT 2009

Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?
Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

> i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on
> its face.
> taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to
> obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the
> challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment
> order.
> but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?
>   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and
> anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on
> the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
> Oooops,
> Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document,
> which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal
> Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964
> Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?
> Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Post-colonial_history> says
> no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a
> Republic exactly one year later.
> Josh
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
> dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her
> victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in
> court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a
> nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the
> moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american
> history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever
> known.
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
> Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
> Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from
> Africa
> ------------------------------
> Posted: August 02, 2009
> 11:55 am Eastern
> ? 2009 WorldNetDaily
>  WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for
> its authentication. <http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/>
> This document purports to be a Kenyan certification<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>
>  of birth <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> for
> Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
> The document lists Obama's parents<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> as
> Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the
> birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> of
> birth as Coast General Hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> in
> Mombasa, Kenya.
> Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast
> General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the
> deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly
> issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of
> comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
> An enlarged view of the bottom of
>  Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth
> certificate made the rounds of the Internet<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>,
> but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by
> Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
> Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't
> want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
> Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central
> District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ?
> both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be
> preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents
> from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State
> Hillary Clinton.
> "I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which
> would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the
> government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the
> power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a
> deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the
> birth certificate].
> "I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
> "Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz
> explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet
> more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
>  Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan
> Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged
> Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in
> federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among
> members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions
> surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
> Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida
> court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's
> case.
>  The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants
> are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials,
> including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
> WND previously reported<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104208> a
> judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked
> his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
> WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626> was
> that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire
> U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate
> control of a private citizen."
> Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it
> is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With
> that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,'
> he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
> The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian
> employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense
> and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the
> president's constitutional authority."
>  WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a
> "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No
> Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
> Office of President."
> Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he
> insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the
> suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American
> citizenship to her son under the law<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> at
> the time.
> Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a
> Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his
> birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the
> Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
> Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in
> the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth
> certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
> WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613> for
> Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his
> Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia
> thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his
> scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical
> records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois
> State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption
> records.
> Developing ...
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