[eDebate] FW: kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court

Old Strega oldstrega
Mon Aug 3 00:31:29 CDT 2009

basically, you're just cynical and have no other argument than status quo.
it's not significant that cook won a challenge to commander in chief orders for deployment.   the first ever disobedience of such an order based on contestation of our commander in chief's eligibility.
obama let that happen on purpose because the lawyer, taitz, is an imbecile who, even though she scored a victory on that case, is about to be completely discredited next week when the kenyan birth certificate is proven to be a total hoax.  your cynicism should have cook deployed in afghanistan ready to be killed with all the other soldiers going up in flames there these days for no good reason.   but your cynicism already got pummeled week before last.   cook isn't going to afghanistan because the military didn't back up the commander in military court.  instead they ran scared.   
it's not a 40+ year hawaii conspiracy.  the fact is that in 1961 hawaii registered foreign births which appears to be the case with obama.

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com

Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?  Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with Barack?  

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on its face. 

taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment order.

but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?    

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
To: oldstrega at hotmail.com

CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com 

Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document, which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964
Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?

Wikipedia says no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a Republic exactly one year later.


On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:

dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever known.    



Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa

Posted: August 02, 2009
11:55 am Eastern

? 2009 WorldNetDaily 

WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for its authentication.

This document purports to be a Kenyan certification of birth for Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961

The document lists Obama's parents as Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital of birth as Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961

No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.

WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.

An enlarged view of the bottom of 

Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.

Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."

Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ? both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the birth certificate].

"I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
"Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."

Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.

Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's case.

The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials, including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

WND previously reported a judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.

WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern was that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate control of a private citizen."

Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander in chief."

The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the president's constitutional authority."

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

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