[eDebate] FW: kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court

Samuel Maurer chairman.maurer
Mon Aug 3 17:45:25 CDT 2009

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:42 PM, rrach at juno.com <rrach at juno.com> wrote:

> *Meet Orly Taitz, Queen Bee of People Obsessed With Barack Obama's Birth
> Certificate* *By Spencer Kornhaber* *published: June 18, 2009* *?
> *John Gilhooley
> [image: Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.: dentist, lawyer, mom,]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
> *Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.: dentist, lawyer, mom, "eligibility" activist* *?
> *Gustavo Arellano
> [image: Buena Park pastor Wiley Drake was Taitz's first plaintiff]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
> *Buena Park* pastor Wiley Drake was Taitz's first plaintiff
>    - [image: Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, or as Taitz calls it, a]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
> *Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, or as Taitz calls it, a "piece of
> garbage"* *?         *John Gilhooley
> [image: Lightfoot V. Bowen, the case Taitz claims was]<http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/?gallery=456300>
> *Lightfoot V. Bowen, the case Taitz claims was "deleted" from the Supreme
> Court's docket. "This, actually, might be another Watergate," she says*
> *Birth of an Obsession**
> With her strong will, busy travel schedule and breathless blogging, Laguna
> Niguel dentist Orly Taitz has become the most controversial figure in the
> effort to prove that President Barack Obama is foreign-born*
> Before she addressed the chief justice of the Supreme Court of the United
> States on March 13, Dr. Orly Taitz thought about his son and *her* sons
> and nearly started to cry.
> This was after she had woken up at 3 a.m., headed to Kinko?s in Laguna
> Niguel, photocopied hundreds of pages, gotten on Interstate 5 heading south,
> answered questions on her cell phone from a radio station, caught a flight
> in San Diego, sat for a few hours in Salt Lake City, caught another flight,
> landed in Spokane, picked up a rental car, driven two hours in falling snow
> along the Washington-Idaho border, parked, entered University Ballroom at
> the University of Idaho, and then taken a seat to listen to a speech from
> Chief Justice John Roberts.
> ?This is a man who has his priorities straight,? said the law-school
> faculty member who introduced Roberts, going on to describe how Roberts had
> skipped part of the pre-event reception to be at his son?s baseball game.
> That got Taitz thinking. She has three sons: One?s a singer with an ?Elvis
> Presley voice,? another is a tenth-grade AP student who loves math and
> basketball, and another is studying to be a doctor at an Ivy League school.
> Since November of last year, Taitz has been ?criss-crossing the country?;
> talking with activists, law-enforcement officers and government officials;
> filing lawsuits and finding plaintiffs; and speaking at events. She has had
> to hire extra help at her two dental offices; she can count on one hand the
> number of times she has been able to sit down and watch TV; and, worst, she
> has missed awards ceremonies, sports tournaments and family dinners with her
> sons. Her mascara-rimmed eyes teared up as she thought about all the time
> she?s never getting back.
> After Roberts gave his talk, he took questions from the audience. Taitz, in
> her black, turtleneck sweater and gold pendant, was the first person at the
> microphone. She explained that she was a lawyer who had come all the way
> from Southern California. She asked Roberts whether he was ?aware of some
> illegal activity that is going on in the Supreme Court of the United
> States,? and then mentioned that she had printed out a petition with
> hundreds of thousands of signatures asking for an investigation into the
> fact that ?Barack Hussein Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, is totally ineligible
> to be president.? Audience members chuckled as she was interrupted by
> Roberts??Thank you very much, ma?am??and told that she could hand her
> suitcase full of documents to the security personnel in the room.
> *     *     *
> Outside the Santa Ana Courthouse in April, the day that disgraced
> ex-sheriff Mike Carona was to be sentenced for witness tampering, Taitz met
> with the Orange County press corps. The journalists had assembled to cover
> the ruling, but they instead found themselves being addressed by a woman
> with blond hair, long eyelashes, a low-cut blouse and hands full of binders.
> Taitz first approached the TV camera crews, but after a few moments of
> chatter, they directed her to the reporters a few feet away. ?I know you,?
> she said to then-*Los Angeles Times* staff writer Christine Hanley?who,
> Taitz then implied, worked for Obama. As she handed out bound-and-laminated
> copies of her hundred-page legal pleadings to reporters, including the *
> Weekly*?s R. Scott Moxley, Taitz smiled and pontificated in her Eastern
> European accent about the clerks of the Supreme Court whom she believed had
> been sabotaging her lawsuits.
> There?s a term some use for people like Taitz, and she doesn?t like it.
> It?s ?birther??or, if you want to be really mean, ?birfer.? (The controversy
> was born on the Internet, so naturally the Internet gave it a goofy name.)
> While rumors about Obama?s background and citizenship simmered throughout
> the 2008 presidential campaign, after Election Day, those rumors coalesced
> into a near-religion for a group of true believers. To Taitz and the unknown
> number of people who agree with her, Barack Obama isn?t president and
> probably wasn?t even born in the U.S. Taitz, a Laguna Niguel dentist with a
> law degree from an online academy, has been awarded a few creative
> variations on the birther term: ?The Queen Bee of Birferstan? is probably
> the best.
> ?That?s demeaning,? Taitz says. ?I don?t call anybody names.?
> This isn?t quite true. She calls Obama a ?usurper? and an ?arrogant jerk
> from Africa and Indonesia.? She called a judge an ?idiot.? And she calls
> anyone who stands in her way an ?Obama thug.? Taitz has built a sizable
> following on her blog; in the comments for each post at orlytaitzesq.com,
> you can read a few more names for people whom Taitz doesn?t like:
> ?traitors,? ?Muslims,? ?terrorists.?
> In the past eight months, Taitz?s face has become one of the most
> recognizable of what its adherents prefer to call the ?eligibility?
> movement, and her actions have been some of the most controversial. Her end
> goal is simple?to remove Obama from office?but her methods have sometimes
> put her at odds with other anti-Obama activists. And that?s not to mention
> the legion of Obama supporters who have assembled evidence claiming that
> Taitz is, at best, a liar and, at worst, treasonous.
> Ask about Taitz?s motivations, and she?ll tell you about her background.
> She immigrated to the United States from Israel in 1987; before Israel, she
> lived in what was then the Soviet Socialist Republic of Moldavia. She says
> it?s her upbringing that initially caused her to be suspicious of Obama. ?I
> was just like any other mom; I didn?t do anything different from any other
> mother,? she says, her accent turning *mother* into *muddah*. ?And it?s
> just during this last election, I became really concerned because I came
> from a communist country. I saw the things that Obama is saying that really
> did not make sense and that concerned me. One, of course, that had to do
> with the all-civilian army. And I saw footage of children dressed in
> uniforms, saluting Obama and doing drills. That reminded me of young
> communists.?
> (Unsure what she?s referring to? Google ?Obama civilian army? and ?Obama
> children drills.? That?ll bring up the appropriate World Net Daily<http://www.worldnetdaily.com/>articles and FOX News clips.)
> The mistrust turned into something stronger when Taitz received an e-mail
> claiming there was evidence that Obama wasn?t born in America. ?At first, I
> thought it was a hoax,? she says. ?I didn?t believe it.? But then, in
> October, she filled out the ?contact? form on the California Secretary of
> State website, asking if the secretary verifies the eligibility of
> presidential candidates. The response was no. ?I was shocked,? Taitz says.
> She fired off a round of letters to the editors of local newspapers,
> arguing that Obama didn?t meet the constitutional requirements to be
> president. The only one to publish her words was the *Westminster Herald*.
> But that was enough. Someone read the letter in the newspaper and called
> Taitz at her dental office to invite her to speak at an upcoming meeting of
> the California Coalition for Immigration Reform in Garden Grove, the
> far-right anti-immigrant group whose projects include a boycott of Mexico.
> There, she told the story of her own legal immigration to the United States,
> and afterward, she was approached by Buena Park radio pastor Wiley Drake
> (recently in the news because he publicly admitted to praying for Obama?s
> death). After chatting a little about immigration, the conversation turned
> to Obama?s birth certificate. Drake invited Taitz onto his radio show. On
> the air, the two discussed what they thought of the Usurper, and then Drake
> asked, ?Well, what can we do??
> Taitz?s answer: ?We can sue.?
> This would not be the first lawsuit filed to challenge Obama. Pennsylvania
> lawyer Philip Berg made headlines in August 2008 by attempting to block the
> Democratic National Committee?s endorsement of Obama. Berg is a Democrat
> with history: He?d once served as Montgomery County Democratic Party
> chairman and as deputy attorney general in that state. He supported Hillary
> Clinton?s candidacy, but he insists his problem with Obama is
> constitutional, not political. He also had spent part of the past seven
> years suing the Bush administration to prove that 9/11 was an inside job. A
> judge threw out his first Obama suit for one reason: standing. Berg couldn?t
> prove he would be materially damaged by Obama?s presidency.
> In Taitz?s mind, Drake?s being a vice-presidential candidate running on the
> American Independent ticket with Alan Keyes gave him standing. So Taitz
> filed her first eligibility lawsuit, *Keyes v. Bowen*, on Nov. 13, asking
> that California Secretary of State Debra Bowen investigate Obama (see Matt
> Coker?s ?The Preacher vs. the President-elect<http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-12-18/news/wiley-drake-barack-obama>,?
> Dec. 17, 2008).
> But her real entrance onto the national stage came in early December.
> Political activist Robert Schulz is an engineer by trade, but he bills
> himself as a constitutional scholar. Others merely call him a tax cheat: A
> federal judge held him in contempt of court in May 2008 for refusing to
> comply with an earlier injunction ordering his We the People Foundation<http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/>to stop teaching people how to ?legally? avoid payroll taxes (it wasn?t
> legal). But later that year, his cause wasn?t taxes; it was Obama. Schulz
> took out two full-page ads in the *Chicago Tribune* asking President-elect
> Obama to hand over a number of documents at a press conference Schulz would
> be holding on Dec. 8.
> Obama didn?t show up for the conference at the National Press Club in
> Washington, D.C. (Schulz had rented out the room), but Taitz did. So did
> Berg and a number of other activists and lawyers agitating against Obama.
> Taitz, who was invited by Schulz, spoke for several dozen minutes about her
> legal actions against Obama. ?She was interesting,? Schulz says. ?I could
> tell she hadn?t been through press conferences before. Instead of good,
> short, powerful statements . . . God bless her, but she had a tendency to
> want to go through all the details. She?s passionate, no question about
> that.?
> The conference earned Taitz mentions on Slate and Salon; the latter
> reported that ?Taitz . . . kept making stranger and stranger assertions. At
> one point, she asked why the government had fined broadcasters for Janet
> Jackson?s ?wardrobe malfunction,? but didn?t intervene to force the media to
> report on Obama?s allegedly phony birth certificate.?
> A few days earlier, the California Supreme Court had dismissed Taitz?s
> lawsuit asking for an emergency order to halt certification of the election
> results on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the Libertarian vice-presidential
> candidate who had been on Ron Paul?s ticket in California. The dismissal
> just led Taitz to refile in the United States Supreme Court on Dec. 12. But
> on the day after the presidential inauguration came an event that seemed to
> shake Taitz to her core: She says her case inexplicably ?disappeared? from
> the court?s online docket. It was only after ?hundreds? of phone calls from
> Taitz and her supporters that, a day later, the case reappeared. Workers in
> the Supreme Court?s office told her it was due to a computer glitch that
> affected multiple cases. To Taitz, the whole thing smacked of foul play.
> ?I don?t know if it was hacking from outside, or whether it was hacking
> from inside, or if it was someone who works within the Supreme Court did it
> in order to show there are no challenges to Obama?s eligibility, but this is
> a serious issue,? Taitz says. ?I think this is more of a scandal than many
> other issues. This, actually, might be another Watergate.?
> On Jan. 26, the court declined to hear that case. Taitz thought she should
> try to find out why. She showed up at a lecture being given by Justice
> Antonin Scalia in Los Angeles and asked, during the Q&A session, whether he
> would hear her lawsuit. ?He said, ?Bring the case,?? she recalls. ?So I
> said, ?Well, why didn?t you hear the previous case, *Lightfoot v. Bowen*?
> And he kept saying, ?I don?t know. I don?t remember. I don?t know.?? During
> the book-signing after Scalia?s talk, Taitz made sure she was the last
> person in line. When she got face-to-face with the justice, she had him sign
> two books?including a tome costing more than $100?to have more time to grill
> him about *Lightfoot*. The answers she got, Taitz says, were troubling:
> The court?s clerks must have prevented him from reading her pleadings and
> those of other eligibility lawsuits. To her, that?s the only plausible
> reason why he wouldn?t remember.
> *     *     *
> It?s difficult to estimate how many people believe that Obama isn?t
> eligible to be president. Berg claims the number is around 15 million (he?d
> like to see awareness reach 75 million, at least). World Net Daily, a
> right-wing news site that publishes a steady stream of Obama-slamming
> stories, reportedly has gathered 380,000 signatures for its petition related
> to the matter. But, as with any online petition, there?s no way to know how
> many of those are duplicates or fakes. Taitz has been able to direct her
> readers to flood government officials with so many e-mails, phone messages
> and letters that they eventually return her phone calls.
> What isn?t difficult is understanding why someone would buy the eligibility
> idea. Taitz, even with her tendency to misuse pronouns and mispronounce
> words, can put together an explanation in a few minutes that actually sounds
> compelling.
> It goes like this:
> Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution specifies that the president of the
> United States must be, among other things, a ?natural-born citizen.? There?s
> disagreement as to what that means (more on that later), but there?s no
> dispute that it requires a president to have been an American citizen at the
> time of his or her birth. Obama says he was born in Honolulu in 1961, but he
> has never publicly produced his original birth certificate?that piece of
> paper parents get when they have a new child, which features the name of the
> hospital as well as the name of the attending physician. Responding to
> rumors that Obama?s middle name is ?Muhammad,? the Obama campaign in June
> 2008 published a scanned image of his Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), a
> short-form printout that doesn?t list hospital or doctor.
> Taitz and others say they have reason to doubt the veracity of Obama?s
> COLB. Forensic experts have set up web pages and signed affidavits saying
> it?s a forgery. There?s a law on the books in Hawaii that allows
> foreign-born children to obtain a Hawaiian COLB. And the information on a
> late-registered COLB doesn?t need to be verified by anyone; it?s based
> solely on the testimony of one parent. On top of all that, there?s a
> recording and transcript of Obama?s Kenyan grandmother telling an
> interviewer that she was present when Barack Obama was born in Africa. And
> in 1981, Obama traveled to Pakistan; at the time, though, there was a ban on
> American passport holders entering that country.
> In light of all these and other facts, Taitz argues that Obama should be
> forced to release his entire hospital-birthing file, passport information
> and college records.
> The problem is most of the above facts aren?t true.
> For starters, the Pakistan ?travel ban? is a complete fabrication based on
> zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a
> 1981 *New York Times* article. The full transcript from Obama?s
> grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya?in fact, she
> repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born
> children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn?t exist until 20 years after Obama
> was born, while Obama?s published COLB says his birth information was
> recorded four days after his birth in 1961. And those ?forensic experts? who
> say Obama?s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two
> haven?t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went
> by the moniker ?TechDude?), and the other merely said that she can?t make a
> determination of a document?s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.
> Still, the question remains: Where?s the birth certificate? In fact,
> there?s an electronic billboard in Buena Park, off Interstate 5 near Beach
> Boulevard, asking that very question. It?s owned by World Net Daily; one of
> its reporters, Les Kinsolving, brought the issue up at a White House press
> briefing on May 27. ?It?s on the Internet,? Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs
> chuckled. ?I certainly hope by the fourth year of our administration that
> we?ll have dealt with this burgeoning birth controversy.?
> Aside from World Net Daily, more traditional conservative media sources?not
> to mention politicians?have condemned the birth-certificate question as a
> waste of time. In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz
> and the other eligibility attorneys as ?crazy, nutburger, demagogue,
> money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters.?
> Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.
> Even if Obama?s long-form, original birth certificate were to be made
> public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn?t stop. Because
> there?s a second argument: that there?s no way that Obama could fit the
> definition of a ?natural-born citizen.? By turning to Swiss philosophy texts
> read by the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous *Scott v. Sanford*Supreme Court decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former
> slave Dred Scott and was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency
> of Chester A. Arthur, Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a
> natural-born citizen if both parents were American citizens at the time of
> the baby?s birth. Obama?s Kenyan father was a British subject.
> While mainstream news sources such as Politifact<http://www.politifact.com/>and
> FactCheck.org <http://factcheck.org/> have tried to debunk the bulk of the
> eligibility argument, the best place to see all the evidence is at the
> coterie of ?anti-birther? websites that have sprung up.
> ObamaConspiracy.org <http://obamaconspiracy.org/>, for example,
> meticulously examines each and every eligibility claim, almost wholly
> relying on original research and primary documents.
> NativeBornCitizen.wordpress.com <http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/>goes through eligibility lawsuits and argues with them, point by point.
> It sometimes seems as though the ?anti-birther? community is just as
> obsessed as the people it keeps an eye on. On Politijab.com<http://politijab.com/>,
> there?s an entire forum devoted to Taitz, complete with topics such as
> ?Orly?s Facebook Page? and ?How Long Until Orly?s Breakdown?? At
> YesToDemocracy.com <http://yestodemocracy.com/>, bloggers provide regular
> updates on the latest birther activities, with some choice digs at the
> ?nitrous-huffing,? ?cavity creep? that is Orly Taitz.
> ?It?s just fascinating,? says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab?s
> Orly Taitz forum. ?She runs around the country doing things that amount to
> absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ?files? all sorts of
> documents, but she never *files* anything. She *drops stuff off*.?
> Patrick McKinnion of Yes to Democracy <http://www.yestodemocracy.com/>puts it a different way: ?There?s a certain amount of fascination with
> unbridled insanity, and that?s what you?re seeing with the birthers: a level
> of hatred that borders, if not absolutely pole-vaults, into insanity.?
> *     *     *
> Orly Taitz owes any fame she has to the Internet, so when her blogs started
> acting strangely, she got upset. In the first months of 2009, she posted
> updates about her legal cases on both drorly.blogspot.com and
> defendourfreedoms.us. But they would become unavailable without notice,
> and users would face porn pop-ups and warnings that they were entering a
> site that could damage their computer. Worse, the PayPal account she used to
> raise donations wouldn?t accept new contributions. Like any law-abiding
> citizen would, she sent complaints about these ?cyber-crimes? to the local
> police, the FBI and the Supreme Court of the United States.
> While Taitz believed she had been hacked?possibly by Obama thugs?her New
> Jersey-based webmaster, Lisa Ostella, wasn?t so sure. If Taitz?s site had
> been hacked, that would mean the security of all of Ostella?s clients was
> compromised. So, in March, she asked Taitz to rescind her complaint to the
> FBI and stop making unsubstantiated claims about hacking, or else find a new
> webmaster. Taitz opted for the latter.
> It?s not totally clear what happened, but defendourfreedoms.us ended up in
> Ostella?s hands, and Taitz says that a commenter using the handle ?Agent 88?
> started posting nasty things about her. To Taitz, there was no doubt: This
> was Lisa Liberi, a paralegal working for Philip Berg, the Pennsylvania
> eligibility attorney. Weeks earlier, someone had told Taitz that Liberi had
> a criminal record, so she investigated. She found that a woman named Lisa
> Liberi had a long rap sheet of fraud, forgery and theft in San Bernardino.
> Taitz sent Berg a ?Ceize and Desist? [sic] letter, telling Berg to
> investigate Liberi (she also accused him of plagiarizing her legal
> pleadings, an accusation he has in turn leveled at *her*). Then she sent
> out ?Dossier #6? (Taitz has a habit of sending out ?dossiers? of
> Obama-related miscellanea to government officials) to, supposedly, 26,000
> media outlets. In the dossier: Liberi?s home address, phone number and full
> Social Security number.
> And that?s how Taitz ended up being sued by Berg, Ostella, Liberi and
> others in federal court in Pennsylvania. On May 17, Berg posted on his
> website, ObamaCrimes.com <http://obamacrimes.com/>:
> *I regretfully advise you that I had to file a lawsuit against Orly Taitz,
> Esquire, as she has gone too far. Months ago, I advised Orly that I would
> not work with her because our legal styles were so different.*
> *However, I decided not to bad mouth her.*
> *Well, Orly decided to take me down and she states through my very able
> paralegal, Lisa [sic]. I cannot understand why she would want to take me
> down unless she?s working for Obama.*
> Ostella declined to comment for this story. For Berg, the lawsuit?for
> slander, privacy violations and harassment?offered a chance for him to
> finally say what he?d been thinking about Taitz: She?s a menace and possibly
> an Obama plant. ?When you really look at what she has accomplished over the
> past couple of months, I think it?s nothing,? Berg says. ?She?s hurt the
> cause. I suggest she goes back to practicing dentistry.? Berg says the
> headlines she generates, about ambushing Supreme Court justices and
> allegations of government-perpetrated hacking, only serve to make the
> eligibility movement look nuts. ?And we?re not nuts,? Berg says.
> Taitz maintains that she was only spreading information that was already
> public about Liberi, and she has speculated that Berg might be the one
> working for Obama. But the lawsuit has divided the eligibility community of
> online-radio hosts and bloggers into two camps: for Taitz and against her. A
> few people who previously worked with Taitz no longer will speak on the
> record about her, for fear of her posting their personal information on her
> blog and directing her followers to harass them. And in the past month or
> so, a 30-page document purporting to be an anonymous complaint to the State
> Bar of California about Taitz has circulated on the Web. The Bar doesn?t
> comment on ongoing investigations; Taitz says she hasn?t been contacted
> about the complaint. Still, it?s a fairly exhaustive document of all the
> ways that Taitz may have crossed the line as a lawyer, from her out-of-court
> communications with judges to not-so-veiled calls for armed insurrection if
> the legal process doesn?t eventually get Obama removed. (In February, for
> example, the complaint alleges she posted, ?The simple fact is that we are
> long overdue for another Rebellion in this nation, and I heartily endorse
> the idea of having one again very soon, preferably starting THIS year!?)
> On that last charge, Orly-watchers are nervous. ?In my opinion, Orly
> herself is not dangerous in the sense that she would pull the trigger on the
> president,? says Haggard. ?She is dangerous in that she attracts people who
> might.?
> But Taitz?s following still appears to be strong, possibly because she?s
> the most omnivorous eligibility activist around: She simultaneously makes
> demands for Obama?s birth certificate while also arguing for a narrow
> reading of ?natural-born citizen.? In addition to her lawsuits on behalf of
> failed presidential candidates, she says, she has rounded up more than 100
> military officers?many of whom are retired?to sign on to her quo warranto
> legal pleadings that challenge the president (the argument being that a
> military officer has a right to know if the commander in chief is legit).
> And she has participated in quasi-legal activities, such as the ?citizen
> grand juries? that trace their legal authority back to the Magna Carta?s
> rules about lords and barons.
> ?She?s a tiger,? says Gail Lightfoot. ?She?s relentless. She?s not going to
> let go of this. She absolutely is not going to give up.?
> Taitz admits it gets hard sometimes. Her husband objects to all the time
> spent away from home, late-night phone calls and money spent flying across
> the country. Taitz wishes she could see her sons more. And she?s
> increasingly convinced her life is in danger, most likely because of
> personal attention from Obama. Two weeks ago, her husband?s car went to the
> shop with mechanical problems. Then her car had a fuel leak.
> And then she got this blog comment: ?Did you know that if you tried your
> citizens? arrest bullshit and tried to forcibly remove the president, I and
> millions of others would shoot you on spot and burn your body for the world
> to see???????? YOU LITTLE FUCK.? After filing a report with the Orange
> County Sheriff?s Department, she traced the commenter?s IP address to
> Everett, Washington. Suddenly, everything clicked. ?I?m wondering if it?s
> someone who knows Obama,? she says, ?because his mother, Anne Dunham, used
> to study at the University of Seattle, Washington. This person is at
> Everett, Washington, which is very close to Seattle.?
> She?s currently looking for volunteers to investigate the matter in
> Washington. And, if she needs to, Taitz will go there herself.
> *More about and from Orly Taitz can be found on Navel Gazing<http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/politics/super-fun-cover-story-suppleme/>.
> *
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com>
> To: <edebate at ndtceda.com>
> Subject: [eDebate] FW:  kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:31:29 -0500
> basically, you're just cynical and have no other argument than status quo.
> it's not significant that cook won a challenge to commander in chief orders
> for deployment.   the first ever disobedience of such an order based on
> contestation of our commander in chief's eligibility.
> obama let that happen on purpose because the lawyer, taitz, is an imbecile
> who, even though she scored a victory on that case, is about to be
> completely discredited next week when the kenyan birth certificate is proven
> to be a total hoax.  your cynicism should have cook deployed in afghanistan
> ready to be killed with all the other soldiers going up in flames there
> these days for no good reason.   but your cynicism already got pummeled week
> before last.   cook isn't going to afghanistan because the military didn't
> back up the commander in military court.  instead they ran scared.
> it's not a 40+ year hawaii conspiracy.  the fact is that in 1961 hawaii
> registered foreign births which appears to be the case with obama.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:23:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
> Because I suspect its going to work itself out with or without our input?
> Because I dont think Hawaii has a 46 year conspiracy to stick us with
> Barack?
> Josh
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
> i'm sure that will be the immediate outcome.   authentication will flat on
> its face.
> taitz did not get victory on cook's deployment based on a challenge to
> obama's birth certificate.   for some reason, the military didn't want the
> challenge to go down in court and CONCEDED revocation of cook's deployment
> order.
> but why do you not apply critical acumen to the hawaiian birth certificate?
>   what is your answer to the polarik video which details many more flaws and
> anachronisms in the fact check short-form than the single strike you have on
> the one which has actually been presented in court for authentication?
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:57:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [eDebate] kenyan birth certificate beats fact check to court
> From: jbhdb8 at gmail.com
> To: oldstrega at hotmail.com
> CC: edebate at ndtceda.com; jvreedmore at hotmail.com
> Oooops,
> Included in the WorldNut Daily morongasm is a "photo" of the document,
> which purports to have been issued by the "Office of the Principal
> Registrar, Coast Province, Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964
> Question: Was there a Republic of Kenya on February 17, 1964?
> Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya#Post-colonial_history> says
> no. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and declared itself a
> Republic exactly one year later.
> Josh
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Old Strega <oldstrega at hotmail.com> wrote:
> dr. orly taitz, who olbermann called "a conwoman" shortly before her
> victory for maj. cook, has submitted a document of historical proportions in
> court.  i think the liberals may have fainted for a fake and now face a
> nightmare worse than nixon and decades of republican majorities.    the
> moral of the story: how white guilt produced the biggest swindle in american
> history through the greatest lapse in critical scrutiny the world has ever
> known.
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
> Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth?
> Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from
> Africa
> ------------------------------
> Posted: August 02, 2009
> 11:55 am Eastern
> ? 2009 WorldNetDaily
>  WASHINGTON ? California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of
> lawsuits demanding proof of Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as
> president, has released a copy of what purports to be a Kenyan
> certification of birth and has filed a new motion in U.S. District Court for
> its authentication. <http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/>
> This document purports to be a Kenyan certification<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>
>  of birth <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> for
> Barack Obama, allegedly born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1961
> The document lists Obama's parents<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> as
> Barack Hussein Obama and Stanley Ann Obama, formerly Stanley Ann Dunham, the
> birth date as Aug. 4, 1961, and the hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> of
> birth as Coast General Hospital<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> in
> Mombasa, Kenya.
> Document enlarged to show detail alleges Barack Obama was born at Coast
> General Hospital in Mombasa on Aug. 4, 1961
> No doctor is listed. But the alleged certificate bears the signature of the
> deputy registrar of Coast Province, Joshua Simon Oduya. It was allegedly
> issued as a certified copy of the original in February 1964.
> WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of
> comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.
> An enlarged view of the bottom of
>  Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth
> certificate made the rounds of the Internet<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#>,
> but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by
> Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
> Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn't
> want his name known because "he's afraid for his life."
> Taitz's motion, filed yesterday in the U.S. District Court for the Central
> District of California, requests the purported evidence of Obama's birth ?
> both the alleged birth certificate and foreign records not yet obtained ? be
> preserved from destruction, asks for permission to legally request documents
> from Kenya and seeks a subpoena for deposition from Secretary of State
> Hillary Clinton.
> "I filed the motion with the court asking for expedited discovery, which
> would allow me to start subpoenas and depositions even before Obama and the
> government responds," Taitz told WND. "I am asking the judge to give me the
> power to subpoena the documents from the Kenyan embassy and to require a
> deposition from Hillary Clinton so they will be forced to authenticate [the
> birth certificate].
> "I'm forcing the issue, where Obama will have to respond," she said.
> "Before, they said, 'You don't have anything backing your claims,'" Taitz
> explained. "Now I have something. In fact, I have posted on the Internet
> more than Obama has. My birth certificate actually has signatures."
>  Taitz's most celebrated case involved a military officer, Maj. Stefan
> Cook, whose order to deploy to Afghanistan was revoked when he challenged
> Obama's eligibility to hold office. That case has now been refiled in
> federal court in Florida, raising the specter of a class-action claim among
> members of the military that their orders aren't valid because of questions
> surrounding Obama's constitutional eligibility.
> Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida
> court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook's
> case.
>  The suit seeks damages and a declaratory judgment. Named as defendants
> are Simtech, Cook's former civilian employer, and several officials,
> including Col. Louis B. Wingate and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
> WND previously reported<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104208> a
> judge in Georgia dismissed Cook's case when the government suddenly revoked
> his orders to report to Fort. Benning for deployment to Afghanistan.
> WND reported when the case originally was filed that Cook's concern<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103626> was
> that without proof that there is a legitimate commander in chief, the entire
> U.S. Army becomes "merely a corps of chattel slaves under the illegitimate
> control of a private citizen."
> Cook told WND: "As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it
> is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With
> that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,'
> he is not eligible to be commander in chief."
> The new complaint says it seeks Cook's reinstatement with his civilian
> employer, Simtech Inc., as well as protection from the Department of Defense
> and president "from further retaliation for plaintiff's challenge to the
> president's constitutional authority."
>  WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a
> "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No
> Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
> Office of President."
> Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he
> insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the
> suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American
> citizenship to her son under the law<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764#> at
> the time.
> Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a
> Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his
> birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the
> Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
> Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in
> the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth
> certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
> WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available<http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100613> for
> Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his
> Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia
> thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his
> scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical
> records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois
> State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption
> records.
> Developing ...
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