[eDebate] [CEDA-L] Andy's Nationals

Andy Ellis andy.edebate
Fri Jan 9 18:00:55 CST 2009


Im sure scott can find a bear pong game during or after round 8, my plan did
not say anything about not using prefs

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <scottelliott at grandecom.net> wrote:

> I think my suggestion of free beer pong after round eight has been excluded
> from
> this discussion and it makes me feels sad.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Quoting Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>:
>
> > Sadly for any amongst you looking for an exciting edebate clash, im
> filing
> > most of this under Darrens first inclination "what it might look like"
> > I had a vision of what CEDA nationals could look like and i thought it
> worth
> > sharing. If elected i would be excited to work toward it.
> >
> > But the presidency of CEDA is not a dictatorship. If the membership was
> not
> > supportive of the move, didnt want to vote on the bid, or hopefully had
> > ideas that altered it to make it better, i would happily
> > work collaboratively with the ec and the community to support the desire
> of
> > the organization. But lets not pretend that presidents don't seek and
> assist
> > bid submitters.
> >
> > I recognize the money is not workable in the current set up but i believe
> we
> > can cut/shift/fund alot of the current costs, especially if working in
> > an environment the president knows well. My goal is to make CEDA
> nationals
> > as affordable as possible and most of my plans are in line with that
> goal.
> >
> > The reason it is difficult to do the same thing for JV novice Nationals
> is
> > because it is not put on by a large national  organization. YOURS and the
> > Towson University foundation both provide 501 C3 status to the event but
> not
> > the same way ceda would. The bargaining power of a national organization
> > with colleges all over the nation as its membership is simply higher than
> a
> > sub-account of university foundation or small startup non profit.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Darren Elliott <delliott at kckcc.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Just a couple quick thoughts/questions from sunny Texas and the 2 Step:
> > >
> > > The other candidates should feel free to state their opinion with
> regards
> > > to the following as well.  How would you do it differently or
> similarly?
> > >
> > > 1.  You say below, if elected, your Nationals would be in Baltimore.
>  If I
> > > were to vote for you and you won, does that mean Baltimore would
> definitely
> > > be the site for CEDA in your year as President?  Or does that fall
> under
> > the
> > > first statement, "what it might look like"?  Or do you plan on
> abandoning
> > > the long standing tradition of allowing member schools to submit bids
> to
> > > host CEDA that are voted on by the Executive Council?  Some may favor a
> > bold
> > > move and a yes response would persuade them in your favor.  Others may
> be
> > > dissuaded by a significant change in course.  One reason the bid
> process is
> > > important, is to ensure schools, who might need to host for PR reasons,
> get
> > > a shot to put forth a bid.  When OU hosted, it was a PR advantage.  And
> it
> > > saved CEDA a ton of money thanks to the generosity of President Boren.
> > This
> > > year, Idaho State was chosen for 2 major factors.  First, we have never
> > been
> > > to the Rocky Mountain Region and it was important to support a growing
> > > debate Regio
> > >  n.  Second, they have a donor who has given their program, and will
> give
> > > CEDA Nationals a significant sum of money.  It was important for ISU
> and
> > > this donor to host CEDA this year.  The committee voted for that bid
> due in
> > > large part to those factors.  Berkley won next years bid because they
> were
> > > willing to do both the NDT and CEDA, back-to-back, making it convenient
> for
> > > people going to both.  So for many, the bid process is an important
> one.
> > >
> > > 2.  Your figures about CEDA Nationals making 20-30,000 dollars are very
> > > misleading.  Once we pay out catering for the receptions, trophies, any
> > > convention space cost at the hotel, pay for the hired tournament staff,
> > misc
> > > bills, the Journal, etc. the amount usually about breaks even.  We are
> not
> > > making a profit.  Those figures also do not take into account the
> current
> > > budget model CEDA is trying to follow.  A couple years ago we moved
> from
> > the
> > > notion that CEDA should have to make enough money to pay all of our
> > > expenses, putting us at the mercy if the tournament's size each year.
>  The
> > > goal was to make us financially stable off of membership dues, AND to
> > reduce
> > > the cost to attend CEDA.  Your figures assume $100 entry fees per team.
>  We
> > > have moved beyond that model, and in the future hope to charge team
> fees
> > > that just cover the costs of the tournament, not running the
> organization
> > as
> > > they previously have.  This means we charge $150 for membershio now as
> > > opposed to $50 per school,
> > >  and we plan to reduce the cost of entry fees for CEDA Nationals for
> the
> > > first time in the history of the National Tournament.  If your goal was
> to
> > > have all the above costs absorbed by local Baltimore businesses, that
> would
> > > be great.  But it would seem to be a reason to continue with the "make
> CEDA
> > > affordable" model we are moving towards, and reducing entry fees for
> the
> > > programs competing.
> > >
> > > 3.  A final thought.  Your ideas below are great and grand.  My points
> > > above are not to deny your passion or vision.  They were to illuminate
> the
> > > current structure.  But I do wonder if you could pull off something
> like
> > you
> > > envision, by doing this through the Novice/JV Nationals that Baltimore
> > hosts
> > > yearly.  It seems like a yearly commitment might be even more
> successful
> > and
> > > would have greater long term benefits, and an on-going relationship
> between
> > > debate and the Baltimore community.  WHat do you think?
> > >
> > > chief
> > >
> > > Darren Elliott
> > > Director of Debate and Forensics--KCKCC
> > > CEDA President
> > >
> > >
> > > ANDY ELLIS WROTE:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >
> > > So one of the key roles of a ceda president is to coordinate a CEDA
> > > nationals.
> > > Here is what mine might look like.
> > >
> > > It would be in Baltimore.
> > >
> > > The hotel would be downtown at the harbor. Perhaps the new hilton (its
> > > connected to the convention center and next to a light rail stop that
> takes
> > > you too and from the airport-we will run an evidence shuttle) you
> > > really shouldn't have to rent a car if you dont want to, everything you
> > > need
> > > is at the harbor, food, drink, aquarium, science center, shopping,
> slots,
> > > cool neighborhoods... Camden yards is right next door perhaps we could
> get
> > > CEDA nats night at Camden yards... The out rounds would be held at the
> > > convention center. They would be open to the public. If possible i
> would
> > > like to charge for ticket packages, perhaps $10 per day or $15 for both
> > > days. We can't fill it, but i bet alot of you could convince folks who
> you
> > > know on the eastern seaboard to come up. It would be great in my eyes
> if
> > > there where people not from the tournament watching our elimination
> rounds,
> > > and i think we have more power to make it happen then we think we do. I
> > > would even try to arrange alumni packages at the hotels if say the jay
> > > hawks wanted to bring a large contingent.
> > >
> > > The hospitality could be hooked up and the scene can't be beat...
> > >
> > > Prelims.
> > >
> > > There are dozens of college campuses....but i am less interested in
> > > that(though could definitely arrange it), instead i would like to work
> with
> > > the city and the local business community to form a partnership that
> uses
> > > the investment debate programs make in ceda nationals toward a socially
> > > just
> > > goal. CEDA nationals makes about 20 to 30 thousand, in my vision that
> > > 20,000
> > > could be CEDApartnership stake in the renovation of vacant homes
> schools or
> > > buildings. For that investment CEDA would get the following:
> > >
> > > The First occupant of the buildings would be CEDA nationals. It would
> be
> > > renovated in a way that worked for the tournament but was
> > > easily transformable into affordable housing and/or office space for
> > > community groups.
> > > After CEDA nationals CEDA would get community space for a center where
> CEDA
> > > college debaters could work with high school students and a space where
> > > local college students could do internship projects for the
> organization.
> > > Otherwise the space would be utilized for affordable housing and office
> > > space by the city/developer/ etc.
> > >
> > > The renovation of course would be cause for a celebration and the city
> > > would
> > > probably close the street and throw some kind of party and make you
> feel
> > > kinda like you where on a campus.
> > >
> > > Habitat for Humanity would be a good CEDA partner perhaps...
> > >
> > > Once we have this as our goal- using our enterprise toward social
> goals,
> > > without sacrificing our enterprise- it becomes a lot easier to build
> small
> > > amounts of guaranteed capital investment into matching grants...in
> other
> > > words...if we can guarantee that we can raise 20 k we can raise money
> with
> > > a
> > > 20 k match.
> > >
> > > There would be a webpage for CEDA nationals that was functional and
> > > friendly. It would have been a two year collaborative project that led
> up
> > > to
> > > it, where tech talented people in the community collaborated with
> students
> > > (high school and college) to build the site that people need(but also
> the
> > > platform for the future). As long as there is education going on, money
> is
> > > available...the point agin being that using something we need (a good
> web
> > > platform for our national tournament) in the service of a social goal
> > > (teaching tech skills on a big project ) kinda just makes more sense.
> > >
> > > I would work with networks of youth non profits in Baltimore and
> hopefully
> > > be able to get photographers, events workers, ballot runners, video
> people,
> > > t shirt designers, and everything else under the sun, we might have to
> pay
> > > them, but thats a good investment on our part.
> > >
> > > There is something about the prelims working with and not just in a
> > > community that will drive people out to see the out rounds at the
> > > convention
> > > center.
> > >
> > > Oh yeah, the whole thing would be broadcast live at least over the
> > > internet,
> > > and who knows maybe on CSPAN, or something more exciting.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not forgetting about debate, in fact the rooms
> > > would
> > > be configured more ideally for debate than any other location, because
> its
> > > first use would be debate. I am not looking to sacrifice what we do, im
> > > looking to get more return out of our investment.
> > > Accessibility ? Actually that works better in my model as well. If CEDA
> had
> > > an idea of how many rooms needed to be "accessible" that would be that
> many
> > > more accessible rooms on that block...see how this works.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now this is gonna take organizing, money, work, and commitment. But we
> can
> > > do it and we should want to do it...Its good for people(the prelims)
> the
> > > planet (don't have to rent a car and transforming brownfields into
> > > affordable housing) and profit (the elims and the money that funds the
> > > social projects) and it would be the most fun place to ever have a
> hotel.
> > >
> > > If you like the idea but think its unrealistic, don't stop liking the
> idea,
> > > work with me to make it realistic.
> > >
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