[eDebate] [CEDA-L] Andy's Nationals

Andy Ellis andy.edebate
Fri Jan 9 18:04:19 CST 2009


pardon me. BEER pong. Though im sure bear pong would be interesting as well.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Im sure scott can find a bear pong game during or after round 8, my plan
> did not say anything about not using prefs
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM, <scottelliott at grandecom.net> wrote:
>
>> I think my suggestion of free beer pong after round eight has been
>> excluded from
>> this discussion and it makes me feels sad.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Quoting Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Sadly for any amongst you looking for an exciting edebate clash, im
>> filing
>> > most of this under Darrens first inclination "what it might look like"
>> > I had a vision of what CEDA nationals could look like and i thought it
>> worth
>> > sharing. If elected i would be excited to work toward it.
>> >
>> > But the presidency of CEDA is not a dictatorship. If the membership was
>> not
>> > supportive of the move, didnt want to vote on the bid, or hopefully had
>> > ideas that altered it to make it better, i would happily
>> > work collaboratively with the ec and the community to support the desire
>> of
>> > the organization. But lets not pretend that presidents don't seek and
>> assist
>> > bid submitters.
>> >
>> > I recognize the money is not workable in the current set up but i
>> believe we
>> > can cut/shift/fund alot of the current costs, especially if working in
>> > an environment the president knows well. My goal is to make CEDA
>> nationals
>> > as affordable as possible and most of my plans are in line with that
>> goal.
>> >
>> > The reason it is difficult to do the same thing for JV novice Nationals
>> is
>> > because it is not put on by a large national  organization. YOURS and
>> the
>> > Towson University foundation both provide 501 C3 status to the event but
>> not
>> > the same way ceda would. The bargaining power of a national organization
>> > with colleges all over the nation as its membership is simply higher
>> than a
>> > sub-account of university foundation or small startup non profit.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Darren Elliott <delliott at kckcc.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Just a couple quick thoughts/questions from sunny Texas and the 2
>> Step:
>> > >
>> > > The other candidates should feel free to state their opinion with
>> regards
>> > > to the following as well.  How would you do it differently or
>> similarly?
>> > >
>> > > 1.  You say below, if elected, your Nationals would be in Baltimore.
>>  If I
>> > > were to vote for you and you won, does that mean Baltimore would
>> definitely
>> > > be the site for CEDA in your year as President?  Or does that fall
>> under
>> > the
>> > > first statement, "what it might look like"?  Or do you plan on
>> abandoning
>> > > the long standing tradition of allowing member schools to submit bids
>> to
>> > > host CEDA that are voted on by the Executive Council?  Some may favor
>> a
>> > bold
>> > > move and a yes response would persuade them in your favor.  Others may
>> be
>> > > dissuaded by a significant change in course.  One reason the bid
>> process is
>> > > important, is to ensure schools, who might need to host for PR
>> reasons, get
>> > > a shot to put forth a bid.  When OU hosted, it was a PR advantage.
>>  And it
>> > > saved CEDA a ton of money thanks to the generosity of President Boren.
>> > This
>> > > year, Idaho State was chosen for 2 major factors.  First, we have
>> never
>> > been
>> > > to the Rocky Mountain Region and it was important to support a growing
>> > > debate Regio
>> > >  n.  Second, they have a donor who has given their program, and will
>> give
>> > > CEDA Nationals a significant sum of money.  It was important for ISU
>> and
>> > > this donor to host CEDA this year.  The committee voted for that bid
>> due in
>> > > large part to those factors.  Berkley won next years bid because they
>> were
>> > > willing to do both the NDT and CEDA, back-to-back, making it
>> convenient for
>> > > people going to both.  So for many, the bid process is an important
>> one.
>> > >
>> > > 2.  Your figures about CEDA Nationals making 20-30,000 dollars are
>> very
>> > > misleading.  Once we pay out catering for the receptions, trophies,
>> any
>> > > convention space cost at the hotel, pay for the hired tournament
>> staff,
>> > misc
>> > > bills, the Journal, etc. the amount usually about breaks even.  We are
>> not
>> > > making a profit.  Those figures also do not take into account the
>> current
>> > > budget model CEDA is trying to follow.  A couple years ago we moved
>> from
>> > the
>> > > notion that CEDA should have to make enough money to pay all of our
>> > > expenses, putting us at the mercy if the tournament's size each year.
>>  The
>> > > goal was to make us financially stable off of membership dues, AND to
>> > reduce
>> > > the cost to attend CEDA.  Your figures assume $100 entry fees per
>> team.  We
>> > > have moved beyond that model, and in the future hope to charge team
>> fees
>> > > that just cover the costs of the tournament, not running the
>> organization
>> > as
>> > > they previously have.  This means we charge $150 for membershio now as
>> > > opposed to $50 per school,
>> > >  and we plan to reduce the cost of entry fees for CEDA Nationals for
>> the
>> > > first time in the history of the National Tournament.  If your goal
>> was to
>> > > have all the above costs absorbed by local Baltimore businesses, that
>> would
>> > > be great.  But it would seem to be a reason to continue with the "make
>> CEDA
>> > > affordable" model we are moving towards, and reducing entry fees for
>> the
>> > > programs competing.
>> > >
>> > > 3.  A final thought.  Your ideas below are great and grand.  My points
>> > > above are not to deny your passion or vision.  They were to illuminate
>> the
>> > > current structure.  But I do wonder if you could pull off something
>> like
>> > you
>> > > envision, by doing this through the Novice/JV Nationals that Baltimore
>> > hosts
>> > > yearly.  It seems like a yearly commitment might be even more
>> successful
>> > and
>> > > would have greater long term benefits, and an on-going relationship
>> between
>> > > debate and the Baltimore community.  WHat do you think?
>> > >
>> > > chief
>> > >
>> > > Darren Elliott
>> > > Director of Debate and Forensics--KCKCC
>> > > CEDA President
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ANDY ELLIS WROTE:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >
>> > > So one of the key roles of a ceda president is to coordinate a CEDA
>> > > nationals.
>> > > Here is what mine might look like.
>> > >
>> > > It would be in Baltimore.
>> > >
>> > > The hotel would be downtown at the harbor. Perhaps the new hilton (its
>> > > connected to the convention center and next to a light rail stop that
>> takes
>> > > you too and from the airport-we will run an evidence shuttle) you
>> > > really shouldn't have to rent a car if you dont want to, everything
>> you
>> > > need
>> > > is at the harbor, food, drink, aquarium, science center, shopping,
>> slots,
>> > > cool neighborhoods... Camden yards is right next door perhaps we could
>> get
>> > > CEDA nats night at Camden yards... The out rounds would be held at the
>> > > convention center. They would be open to the public. If possible i
>> would
>> > > like to charge for ticket packages, perhaps $10 per day or $15 for
>> both
>> > > days. We can't fill it, but i bet alot of you could convince folks who
>> you
>> > > know on the eastern seaboard to come up. It would be great in my eyes
>> if
>> > > there where people not from the tournament watching our elimination
>> rounds,
>> > > and i think we have more power to make it happen then we think we do.
>> I
>> > > would even try to arrange alumni packages at the hotels if say the jay
>> > > hawks wanted to bring a large contingent.
>> > >
>> > > The hospitality could be hooked up and the scene can't be beat...
>> > >
>> > > Prelims.
>> > >
>> > > There are dozens of college campuses....but i am less interested in
>> > > that(though could definitely arrange it), instead i would like to work
>> with
>> > > the city and the local business community to form a partnership that
>> uses
>> > > the investment debate programs make in ceda nationals toward a
>> socially
>> > > just
>> > > goal. CEDA nationals makes about 20 to 30 thousand, in my vision that
>> > > 20,000
>> > > could be CEDApartnership stake in the renovation of vacant homes
>> schools or
>> > > buildings. For that investment CEDA would get the following:
>> > >
>> > > The First occupant of the buildings would be CEDA nationals. It would
>> be
>> > > renovated in a way that worked for the tournament but was
>> > > easily transformable into affordable housing and/or office space for
>> > > community groups.
>> > > After CEDA nationals CEDA would get community space for a center where
>> CEDA
>> > > college debaters could work with high school students and a space
>> where
>> > > local college students could do internship projects for the
>> organization.
>> > > Otherwise the space would be utilized for affordable housing and
>> office
>> > > space by the city/developer/ etc.
>> > >
>> > > The renovation of course would be cause for a celebration and the city
>> > > would
>> > > probably close the street and throw some kind of party and make you
>> feel
>> > > kinda like you where on a campus.
>> > >
>> > > Habitat for Humanity would be a good CEDA partner perhaps...
>> > >
>> > > Once we have this as our goal- using our enterprise toward social
>> goals,
>> > > without sacrificing our enterprise- it becomes a lot easier to build
>> small
>> > > amounts of guaranteed capital investment into matching grants...in
>> other
>> > > words...if we can guarantee that we can raise 20 k we can raise money
>> with
>> > > a
>> > > 20 k match.
>> > >
>> > > There would be a webpage for CEDA nationals that was functional and
>> > > friendly. It would have been a two year collaborative project that led
>> up
>> > > to
>> > > it, where tech talented people in the community collaborated with
>> students
>> > > (high school and college) to build the site that people need(but also
>> the
>> > > platform for the future). As long as there is education going on,
>> money is
>> > > available...the point agin being that using something we need (a good
>> web
>> > > platform for our national tournament) in the service of a social goal
>> > > (teaching tech skills on a big project ) kinda just makes more sense.
>> > >
>> > > I would work with networks of youth non profits in Baltimore and
>> hopefully
>> > > be able to get photographers, events workers, ballot runners, video
>> people,
>> > > t shirt designers, and everything else under the sun, we might have to
>> pay
>> > > them, but thats a good investment on our part.
>> > >
>> > > There is something about the prelims working with and not just in a
>> > > community that will drive people out to see the out rounds at the
>> > > convention
>> > > center.
>> > >
>> > > Oh yeah, the whole thing would be broadcast live at least over the
>> > > internet,
>> > > and who knows maybe on CSPAN, or something more exciting.
>> > >
>> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not forgetting about debate, in fact the rooms
>> > > would
>> > > be configured more ideally for debate than any other location, because
>> its
>> > > first use would be debate. I am not looking to sacrifice what we do,
>> im
>> > > looking to get more return out of our investment.
>> > > Accessibility ? Actually that works better in my model as well. If
>> CEDA had
>> > > an idea of how many rooms needed to be "accessible" that would be that
>> many
>> > > more accessible rooms on that block...see how this works.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Now this is gonna take organizing, money, work, and commitment. But we
>> can
>> > > do it and we should want to do it...Its good for people(the prelims)
>> the
>> > > planet (don't have to rent a car and transforming brownfields into
>> > > affordable housing) and profit (the elims and the money that funds the
>> > > social projects) and it would be the most fun place to ever have a
>> hotel.
>> > >
>> > > If you like the idea but think its unrealistic, don't stop liking the
>> idea,
>> > > work with me to make it realistic.
>> > >
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