[eDebate] Paperless

Abers catspathat
Wed Jun 24 16:09:50 CDT 2009

Dat last post was from;
Abe Corrigan (gonzaga)

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Abers <catspathat at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't really like it based on the debates I've had though most of my
> concerns haven't been deal breakers with anyone else I've talked to (Glen
> handles our money situation though so i can understand how it might be more
> desirable if it means more teams can go to more tournaments). The reasons
> here are some concerns I have/believe the community will have to face if we
> adopt a (mostly) paperless debating system.
> (1.) Longer debates -- maybe not the most devastating thing ever but rounds
> will most certainly go longer with everyone shuffling evidence, loading
> programs, and various computer glitches/crashes. 10-20 or even 25-30 extra
> minutes per round on a 4 round day adds up.
> (2.) Evidence comparison -- there's something to be said for having
> evidence on separate pieces of paper that you can put over to the side to
> talk about later in cross-x, or to bring up in a speech that just seems very
> difficult to replicate w/ paperless debate. The team who's not giving the
> speech can really only look at one piece of the opponents evidence at a time
> (two i guess if you look over their shoulder but then there's people with
> huge shoulders like shultz so you can't even count on that).
> (3.) Evidence in general -- paperless debate requires a very good sense of
> time and how much stuff you can actually read since (as far as i know at
> least) you have to provide all the evidence for your speech ahead of time.
> Since providing to little likely means wasted seconds flipping word docs
> around looking for more stuff to read, there's a pretty strong incentive for
> debaters to overestimate how much evidence they're going to read. While this
> is really a minor inconvenience for the paperless team giving the speech
> (just means you might show some evidence that you don't end up reading) it's
> a huge pain in the ass for the other team as they frantically flip through
> Word trying to decipher which evidence was read and which was not. I think
> this problem could be reduced significantly if the community decided to more
> strongly err against the '10 cards = one good card' equation but *say la v
> *. (I guess also if there were a more reliable way to transfer evidence as
> you go along that might resolve this issue too)
> (4.) You need three laptops -- you do, you can't really assume everyone has
> a laptop that you can jump cards onto and it seems like it's difficult to
> have 1 team with 1 laptop leaving only one person to deal with the evidence
> at a time. I'd be curious to see the cost breakdown for starting a debate
> team w/ 3 laptops per team as compared to traditional paper evidence. Again,
> I think many of the cost issues could be resolved by an overall reliance on
> less and longer evidence
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Andy Ellis <andy.edebate at gmail.com>wrote:
>> I am not vehemetly opposed but if I where coaching I'd definitly coach
>> students to resist the norming of it BA(l)mn
>> On 6/24/09, Joshua Gonzalez <gonza310 at msu.edu> wrote:
>> > Here's a better question -
>> >
>> > is there anybody that is vehemently opposed to paperless debate (I
>> > will take as a given complaints by debaters regarding transitioning)?
>> >
>> > J
>> >
>> > On Jun 24, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Jarrod Atchison wrote:
>> >
>> >> Trinity is going paperless next year thanks to the amazing work of
>> >> Hardy, Whitman, and Denver. The key for us was securing the third
>> >> laptop per team.
>> >>
>> >> ~Jarrod
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