[eDebate] [CEDA-L] Reply to Chief

scottelliott at grandecom.net scottelliott
Sat May 9 08:23:11 CDT 2009

Ya know what Tuna, Fuck you.

I mean seriously, this is fucking ridiculous. And with all sincerity,  
fuck off.

Let's talk about Idaho , Nationals and OU.

As usual, I will state my props at the beginning. I coach at a small  
program. I coach by myself. My budget is next to nothing. I voted for  
Idaho and advocated for Idaho. It would have been cheaper for us to  
drive to Oklahoma. I am frankly jealous of Oklahoma--not Jackie or his  
program...but the entire state of Oklahoma educational system. Yes,  
that is how poor my state is, we are so poor, we are jealous of a  
state that is known for mud storms and tornadoes. I hope my program  
goes to five to ten National Tournaments at the Universisty of Oklahoma.

But, and, if you did not get it the first time, you don't know what  
you are fucking talking about and, as usual, you are wrong, so fuck off.

I told my team and I told my boss that there are times when you make  
decisions for a higher purpose. Yeah, that's right, sometimes people  
make decsions because they know other human beings will benefit. I  
speak only for myself. But I can tell you I made an initial decision  
to vote for Idaho State as the CEDA National Site for three major  
reasons: 1) It is a small program-which is what CEDA is supposed to  
recognize, so, fuck off; 2) there was an opportunity to secure the  
long term financial stability of a regional program, what the fuck!!  
are you retarded or crazy or high?, you pick which one, because this  
is HUGE; and 3) it was support a region of CEDA that has been  
ill-served by CEDA since the time of your abysmal leadership. It had  
nothing to do with OU, and in fact, it was a counter-intuitive  
decision. I will add, I think this was most likely the reason many  
within the community chose to bite the collective bullet and go. So,  
the original decision was made for very good reasons by people that  
actually particpAte in this organization. If you don't like it, may I  
suggest two things: 1) show up at the summer business meetings or 2)  
fuck off.

Now, in poker, we all know that you should not base your decisions on  
the turn of the cards after the fact. But, in this case, we should  
look at the results. I know you have been around the block for forty  
years. i have been around the block for close to 30. The tournament at  
Idaho State, except for the weather and  distance of rooms, was  
absolutely awesome. It was THE model of a CEDA National TOurnament.  
The final round literally brought me to tears. I was so proud of the  
two teams representing CEDA. The hospitality was awesome. I was  
fortunate enough to be on the plane back to Dallas with the Idaho  
State benefactor,/tournament subsidizer. I and my kids  gushed, I  
mean, really gushed, at how happpy we were about the tournament. We  
loved it.

So, you coming out from your "World's Debate" hole---what's the topic  
of them moment, weather football should be soccer or American  
football?---and knock a tournament that you did not fucking attend is  
just ridiculous. And, somebody ought to call your ass out on it.  
Ironically, it is one of the biggest critics of CEDA that is doing it.

The so-called small field in CEDA was not the result of it being  
hosted  at a Moutain region. At best, OU would have genrated maybe 30  
extra teams. The reason f or the small field is all the fuck-ups  
within CEDA that can be laid DIRECTLY at YOUR FEET. You Tuna, yes,  
YOU, pushed for a merger with NDT Policy. Your fucking "House of  
Reason" was and is a House of Cards. The direction of CEDA was  
determined by YOUR administration. Like a douche, you have run away to  
"World's," leaving others to clean up your fucking mess.  Then you  
have the gall to chime in every now and then on how this organization  
is run. Fuck you. You may have a right to criticize. But I have the  
history and ability to call your ass out. I think it absolutely  
ridiculous for anybody within CEDA to take your comments seriously on  
the issue of OUR national tournamnet when you are not an active  
memeber and you did not attend the busness meeting nor the tournament.  
Go back to spreading your shit in Parly land.

Scott Elliott

Quoting Darren Elliott <delliott at kckcc.edu>:

> I will justify my discussion of budgets in my response to Justin.   
> His arguments have merit and I will give them the attention they  
> deserve by writing an appropriate post to him.  I dont think it was  
> a pot shot or a low blow.
> As for Idaho State your all-knowing arrogance of what the right  
> decision was regarding CEDA this year wreaks of ignorance about the  
> process and is mean-spirited Tuna.  THIS President did not make a  
> unilateral decision about where to host Nationals.  2 bids were  
> brought forward.  I solicited the OU bid heavily from Jackie.  I  
> loved the OU Nats.  Given my penchant for driving to tournaments, I  
> supported the OU bid.  But I allowed BOTH to be presented to the  
> Executive Council in Dallas at the summer meeting.  Were you there?   
> Did you watch on the web?  I cant remember.  The Executive Council  
> voted for Idaho State for a number of reasons which I am sure you  
> couldnt care less about--afterall its all about supporting your own  
> right?  I mean I love Jackie too and I know hes one of yours but  
> Jesus H, dude, take off the blinders.   This was not a personal  
> decision and Im sure it did less to erode confidence in CEDA  
> leadership than many past decisions where programs not only didnt go t
> o CEDA but left altogether.
> For those interested in transparency and not just in it for the fight:
> 1. Your Executive Council voted for Idaho State for among other  
> reasons, a ridiculous amount of financial support
> 2.  A donor at a program who wanted the program he endowed to host  
> CEDA so he could kick in a load of money and support
> 3.  A Region that consistently supports CEDA in attendance but had  
> NEVER had the chance to host the National Tournament.  Regional  
> Diversity good judge!
> 4.  A presentation by Sarah that should be modeled by any potential  
> host.  Her commitment, presentation materials, and abilty to provide  
> amenities most tournaments only dream of was very compelling.
> 5.  Other reasons were elucidated as well and the EC was  
> overwhelmingly impressed.
> I dont think anyone should have to justify that decision, but when  
> someone who barely even supports CEDA anymore begins taking shots at  
> a program that worked their asses off to provide one of the best  
> Nationals in memory, it is annoying.  The only bad decision was  
> those who chose not to come because it was in Pocatello.
> chief
>>>> edebate-bounces at www.ndtceda.com 05/08/09 4:58 PM >>>
> Just a couple of points.
> 1. Taking pot shots at KSU because of their budget is a low blow. Shame.
> I notice Justin did not bring up ****.
> 2. I understand that Sarah and ISU did a great job hosting, they did
> nice work but could not change the location, but it was a bad decision
> to do it there, ignored a strong bid from Oklahoma with lots of
> financial support, and resulted in a very small field. It is these kinds
> of personal decisions that have eroded community trust in CEDA
> presidents. Vermont did not go because of financial considerations and a
> very young team. We would probably have gone to Oklahoma.
> 3. Spare us the humor and stick to the issues.
> Vote no.
> Tuna
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