[eDebate] [CEDA-L] Reply to Chief
scottelliott at grandecom.net
Sat May 9 12:22:32 CDT 2009
Quoting Alfred Snider <alfred.snider at uvm.edu>:
> I have no intention to engage your hateful tirade in any way.
> It is shameful for a communication professional to conduct himself
> in this way.
> Alfred Snider AKA Tuna
> scottelliott at grandecom.net wrote:
>> Ya know what Tuna, Fuck you.
>> I mean seriously, this is fucking ridiculous. And with all
>> sincerity, fuck off.
>> Let's talk about Idaho , Nationals and OU.
>> As usual, I will state my props at the beginning. I coach at a
>> small program. I coach by myself. My budget is next to nothing. I
>> voted for Idaho and advocated for Idaho. It would have been
>> cheaper for us to drive to Oklahoma. I am frankly jealous of
>> Oklahoma--not Jackie or his program...but the entire state of
>> Oklahoma educational system. Yes, that is how poor my state is, we
>> are so poor, we are jealous of a state that is known for mud
>> storms and tornadoes. I hope my program goes to five to ten
>> National Tournaments at the Universisty of Oklahoma.
>> But, and, if you did not get it the first time, you don't know what
>> you are fucking talking about and, as usual, you are wrong, so
>> fuck off.
>> I told my team and I told my boss that there are times when you
>> make decisions for a higher purpose. Yeah, that's right, sometimes
>> people make decsions because they know other human beings will
>> benefit. I speak only for myself. But I can tell you I made an
>> initial decision to vote for Idaho State as the CEDA National Site
>> for three major reasons: 1) It is a small program-which is what
>> CEDA is supposed to recognize, so, fuck off; 2) there was an
>> opportunity to secure the long term financial stability of a
>> regional program, what the fuck!! are you retarded or crazy or
>> high?, you pick which one, because this is HUGE; and 3) it was
>> support a region of CEDA that has been ill-served by CEDA since
>> the time of your abysmal leadership. It had nothing to do with OU,
>> and in fact, it was a counter-intuitive decision. I will add, I
>> think this was most likely the reason many within the community
>> chose to bite the collective bullet and go. So, the original
>> decision was made for very good reasons by people that actually
>> particpAte in this organization. If you don't like it, may I
>> suggest two things: 1) show up at the summer business meetings or
>> 2) fuck off.
>> Now, in poker, we all know that you should not base your decisions
>> on the turn of the cards after the fact. But, in this case, we
>> should look at the results. I know you have been around the block
>> for forty years. i have been around the block for close to 30. The
>> tournament at Idaho State, except for the weather and distance of
>> rooms, was absolutely awesome. It was THE model of a CEDA National
>> TOurnament. The final round literally brought me to tears. I was
>> so proud of the two teams representing CEDA. The hospitality was
>> awesome. I was fortunate enough to be on the plane back to Dallas
>> with the Idaho State benefactor,/tournament subsidizer. I and my
>> kids gushed, I mean, really gushed, at how happpy we were about
>> the tournament. We loved it.
>> So, you coming out from your "World's Debate" hole---what's the
>> topic of them moment, weather football should be soccer or
>> American football?---and knock a tournament that you did not
>> fucking attend is just ridiculous. And, somebody ought to call
>> your ass out on it. Ironically, it is one of the biggest critics
>> of CEDA that is doing it.
>> The so-called small field in CEDA was not the result of it being
>> hosted at a Moutain region. At best, OU would have genrated maybe
>> 30 extra teams. The reason f or the small field is all the
>> fuck-ups within CEDA that can be laid DIRECTLY at YOUR FEET. You
>> Tuna, yes, YOU, pushed for a merger with NDT Policy. Your fucking
>> "House of Reason" was and is a House of Cards. The direction of
>> CEDA was determined by YOUR administration. Like a douche, you
>> have run away to "World's," leaving others to clean up your
>> fucking mess. Then you have the gall to chime in every now and
>> then on how this organization is run. Fuck you. You may have a
>> right to criticize. But I have the history and ability to call
>> your ass out. I think it absolutely ridiculous for anybody within
>> CEDA to take your comments seriously on the issue of OUR national
>> tournamnet when you are not an active memeber and you did not
>> attend the busness meeting nor the tournament. Go back to
>> spreading your shit in Parly land.
>> Scott Elliott
>> Quoting Darren Elliott <delliott at kckcc.edu>:
>>> I will justify my discussion of budgets in my response to Justin.
>>> His arguments have merit and I will give them the attention they
>>> deserve by writing an appropriate post to him. I dont think it
>>> was a pot shot or a low blow.
>>> As for Idaho State your all-knowing arrogance of what the right
>>> decision was regarding CEDA this year wreaks of ignorance about
>>> the process and is mean-spirited Tuna. THIS President did not
>>> make a unilateral decision about where to host Nationals. 2 bids
>>> were brought forward. I solicited the OU bid heavily from
>>> Jackie. I loved the OU Nats. Given my penchant for driving to
>>> tournaments, I supported the OU bid. But I allowed BOTH to be
>>> presented to the Executive Council in Dallas at the summer
>>> meeting. Were you there? Did you watch on the web? I cant
>>> remember. The Executive Council voted for Idaho State for a
>>> number of reasons which I am sure you couldnt care less
>>> about--afterall its all about supporting your own right? I mean
>>> I love Jackie too and I know hes one of yours but Jesus H, dude,
>>> take off the blinders. This was not a personal decision and Im
>>> sure it did less to erode confidence in CEDA leadership than many
>>> past decisions where programs not only didnt go t
>>> o CEDA but left altogether.
>>> For those interested in transparency and not just in it for the fight:
>>> 1. Your Executive Council voted for Idaho State for among other
>>> reasons, a ridiculous amount of financial support
>>> 2. A donor at a program who wanted the program he endowed to host
>>> CEDA so he could kick in a load of money and support
>>> 3. A Region that consistently supports CEDA in attendance but had
>>> NEVER had the chance to host the National Tournament. Regional
>>> Diversity good judge!
>>> 4. A presentation by Sarah that should be modeled by any
>>> potential host. Her commitment, presentation materials, and
>>> abilty to provide amenities most tournaments only dream of was
>>> very compelling.
>>> 5. Other reasons were elucidated as well and the EC was
>>> overwhelmingly impressed.
>>> I dont think anyone should have to justify that decision, but when
>>> someone who barely even supports CEDA anymore begins taking shots
>>> at a program that worked their asses off to provide one of the
>>> best Nationals in memory, it is annoying. The only bad decision
>>> was those who chose not to come because it was in Pocatello.
>>>>>> edebate-bounces at www.ndtceda.com 05/08/09 4:58 PM >>>
>>> Just a couple of points.
>>> 1. Taking pot shots at KSU because of their budget is a low blow. Shame.
>>> I notice Justin did not bring up ****.
>>> 2. I understand that Sarah and ISU did a great job hosting, they did
>>> nice work but could not change the location, but it was a bad decision
>>> to do it there, ignored a strong bid from Oklahoma with lots of
>>> financial support, and resulted in a very small field. It is these kinds
>>> of personal decisions that have eroded community trust in CEDA
>>> presidents. Vermont did not go because of financial considerations and a
>>> very young team. We would probably have gone to Oklahoma.
>>> 3. Spare us the humor and stick to the issues.
>>> Vote no.
>>> Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna
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> Alfred C. Snider aka Tuna
> Edwin Lawrence Professor of Forensics
> University of Vermont
> Huber House, 475 Main Street, UVM, Burlington, VT 05405 USA
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