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September 4, 2024 at 3:39 pm #1834
Problem
I have witnessed what seems like a higher amount of lag in email chains getting out to all relevant debaters (partners, competitors, judges) after the student/debater clicks on ‘send’. Last year I thought it was because perhaps emails were getting some sort of extra screening/scrutiny when there were cards/emails sent about nuclear weapons policy through Cornell emails. I then instructed debaters to make gmail accounts by team and it got a little bit better.
This summer I have noticed similar if not even more lag when sending out email chains to debaters in our internal practice debates. This happens even though debaters are just sending docs about climate policy, and it does not seem to matter if they use gmail or their Cornell emails.
I have of course also witnessed all variety of delays when competitors from other schools send email ‘reply all’ responses with attached speech docs at tournaments.
Solution?
I’m wondering if it’s time for collective ‘best practices’ to move on to something like speechdrop. I don’t know who runs speechdrop or if there are alternative sites that do the same thing, but in testing this summer it has worked great for practice debates.
Step 1: The aff team creates a room on speechdrop
Step 2: The aff team communicates unique code for that room to competitors and judge
Step 3: All subsequent speeches get ‘dropped’ into the webpage/url for that unique room, and it seems very fast (so far)I remember when the norm was tossing around a flash drive to competitors and judges (about a decade ago), but then things shifted over to email chains. Maybe its time to move on from email chains to something else?
Barriers to the solution/disadvantages
I think there might be some reluctance to use speechdrop because then anyone passing by the room/watching the debate might get access to all the docs if the virtual room code is, for example, written for all to see on the markerboard/chalkboard in the classroom. Some teams are more secretive that others or want more control over who does/does not get a part of the email chain. I think a workaround to this would just be to handwrite down the room code on a slip of paper, then hand that over to the judge and to the other team.
I don’t know how speech drop operates. Is it free for now, but may end up being a paid service later? Can its servers become overrun if use of speechdrop gets used, for example, by 100+ teams at once at a weekend tournament? I don’t know
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Please let me know your thoughts!
September 4, 2024 at 4:02 pm #1835I think Speech Drop could handle the added traffic from NDTCEDA – it is widely used in HS where school filters prevent emails from outside the school’s system.
Speech Drop does not have the virus screening that gmail does. In the old flash drive days, viruses were a big problem. That said, I have never gotten a virus through speech drop (yet) despite using it in NFA-LD for about 10 years.
There is also a feature in tabroom that can be used which is comparable to speech drop and might be a fall back option if speech drop stops being free (which is hard to predict, but guessing someone else could set up a speech drop comparable option if needed).
Some other benefits (which could also be costs) from email threads – it is easier to find contact info for people if you were ever in the same debate, forwarding is really easy, and you get a long term copy (slowly filling up your account space). Speech Drop will auto-delete the files in a week or so (I don’t know the precise point, more than a day but not very long).
Perms include (1) switching to speech drop only when email is being slow, (2) using email chain to share the speech drop code, (3) attaching the speech drop downloads & judging docs after the speeches have ended (but using speech drop until the 2ar).
September 4, 2024 at 5:25 pm #1836At first glance I was amenable. But after surveying some debaters who have used both, a couple major concerns were raised that I find overwhelmingly persuasive:
1) DebateDocs DA. Speechdrop is both over- and under-inclusive. You noted that it risks less control over who has access to the room, which is true, but it also threatens jeopardizes broader transparency and scouting.
2) Impermanence DA. As Ermo mentioned, if you fail to download and store it all externally, then after a week both your and their speeches are gone forever.Secondarily,
3) Forwarding DA. This is much less impactful than those others, but there is some small annoyance and time cost to needing to download and share rather than simply forward the chain. Relatedly, searchability—but, again, not acute because an effective team file storage solution with standardized naming conventions solves.September 7, 2024 at 4:46 pm #1838One thing that often contributes to sending lag is when you press send before the document upload is complete. Waiting for the link on the file to turn blue before hitting send tends to make it go much faster.
More generally, attaching and sending speeches is something that I think teams should devote time outside of tournaments to specifically practicing and having a process for. Not saying this is true for Armands’ example, but 90% of email-related delays that I have anecdotally observed while judging are clearly attributable to debaters being unpracticed at efficiently using their email, or being unable to find where they saved their speech document.
Strongly agree w/ BK on his objections to speechdrop.
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